10% earnings per share - 13% RoE. Get some NOW!

[j.m@talk]

aka: male chicken.

Yup

[werz]

Don't worry hero, PM Putin knows what's going on he'll put the socialist Brits and Americans back on the right track.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1233...googlenews_wsj

[herosrest]

There is wishful thinking, by those who should know better, that the economic problems will turn around - a nasty little blip.
That is not going to happen because a financially powerful and motivated component of modern economics is 'able' to profit massively
by devaluing assets and then gobbling them up on the cheap.

Accounting practise allows this theft to occur and Politicians need to wake up to it.
It will end their careers and dreams in derision.
They have power and must use it to prevent theft.

[herosrest]

An interesting and provocative argument is transparency.
Very, very much an issue of double standards in the of an eye type way.

What might be the fiscal and behavioural effect for Tax Revenue - of strict (even penal) requirements and 'enforcement', of disclosure of funds invested globally, their returns, bonus, business profit and tax concessions and allowance and movement.

A review and analysis of the 'savings and surpluses' investment business could settle the issue of efficient return on savings. Are hedge Funds and 'Off Shore' savings actually an effective, efficient, worthwhile endevour or an over hyped, advantage taking system of scam as scam can? Who knows? - salesmen do - but again and again, best advice is do not take them at their word. No one likes the tax-man, right or wrong, he is doing the world big favours right now.

[herosrest]

It should be very interesting to government economists that Private equity is looking for 30+% devaluations before realistic consideration of joint venture into the credit housing and property markets. 30% is in honesty optimistic and already exists.The property loans market has in some rather mysterious way coupled itself to the entire property market rather than the portion which requires re-finance. Its funny how people don't think stuff through. Well not all of them, anyway.

10% earnings per share - 13% RoE - that's the plan......... with a very, very, very conservative fund manager. Lets see....... 25% - per year if you invest with them. Although of course there will be fees, like maybe 20 of yours % up front, remember this is a conservative rig. They will fly 1st class rather than buy Lear Jets.

So. A needle pulling thread. How in the name of THoR is a mortgage deal going to make returns to this type of investor. Obviously it wont. Unless they borrow against the loan value and or the property itself. This type of financing is called...... wait for it - LEVERAGING. Which should ring a few bells.

Begging many questions - Top of the list is WHO sold everybody out and who in their tiny mind considers it worth a nosewipes worth of attention. Conmen at work. Big TIME> MAYBE IF I SHOUT A LI'L - I'll go hoarse - like the ah's letting this take place. A big Hedge Fund bubble is trying to survive by making an even bigger one.

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An interesting and provocative argument is transparency.

What might be the fiscal and behavioural effect for Tax Revenue - of strict (even penal) requirements, of disclosure of funds invested globally, their returns, bonus, business profit and tax concessions and allowance and movement.

A review and analysis of the 'savings and surpluses' investment business could settle the issue of efficient return on savings. Are hedge Funds and 'Off Shore' savings actually an effective, efficient, worthwhile endevour or an over hyped, advantage taking system of scam as scam can? Who knows - salesmen do - but again and again, best advice is do not take them at their word. No one likes the tax-man, rightly or wrongly, he is doing the world big favours right now.

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[herosrest]

The Madoff fraud's' are a test. Until it is understood, others will continue it.

It is an accounting trick. Defended with Mumbo Jumbo or silence.

Supreme arrogance.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202802

All that that happened was a couple of his larger investors were strapped for cash and asked him to cough up 500m or so from the 50Billion.

[werz]

So how much did Madoff personally make from the 50billion?
Do they know?
Is he's claiming he made nothing?
Are the properties in his missus name?
Did he siphon some of it off to a bank in Israel?
Tell us hero, where did all the money go?

[herosrest]

Don't worry hero, PM Putin knows what's going on he'll put the socialist Brits and Americans back on the right track.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1233...googlenews_wsj

Putins Davos speach is not a bad assessment. My preference is for 'Black Hole' rather than perfect storm. That is because some whacked out economists actually did use the black hole algorithms to produce our financial accounting software that is used by the banks. Really. They have - and it all runs on a laptop, usually a secretaries. What ever next.

Interestingly enough, modern Socialism is the practise of Western nations. There is no other way to regard the current huge financing of Banking by the state. l hope that the modern day moves away from confrontation towards rivalry continue - it is so much healthier.

Putin is a pragmatist, running a very large nation which has some difficult problems with resources and ethnic population. Russians are incredibly proud people. He is also an experienced elder statesman who knows the score. Ultimately, if he were to put his foot down in anger, grief or temper the consequence could be unimaginable. I don't doubt for a second that he and Obama have already introduced themselves.

Putins Davos speech is not a bad assessment. My preference is for 'Black Hole' rather then perfect storm. That is because some whacked out economists actually did use the black hole algorithms to produce financial accounting software that is used by our banks. Really. They have - it all runs on a laptop, usually a secretaries. What ever next.

[herosrest]

So how much did Madoff personally make from the 50billion?
Do they know?
Is he's claiming he made nothing?
Are the properties in his missus name?
Did he siphon some of it off to a bank in Israel?
Tell us hero, where did all the money go?

There is a significance of the mystery - he made nothing and actually isn't interested in his own wealth. He is Messiah bringing new order to his brethren and flock - (put, sell and divest). Seagulls love him. His wife and brother are Angels and 25% annual returns on investment are Jehova's blessing. He believes we will all eventually see the light and realise that bubble economics is the way to go and property valuation the god given rite of market traders. He is a Con T and should be exported. He wouldn't know a Ponzi scheme if he was making a living from it or passed one after dinner.
NASDAQ my ahse! Living proof that our dumbest are the best!

Everybody knows where the money went. To Charity and the Ballet.

Apple are lining him up to promote their new line. i-pump

[herosrest]

Did JPM Cause Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi To Collapse?
These days you have to be a genius to be dumb.
The art of leveraging. Ultimately fatal.
It is incredible that this type of loss making can occur in USA and no one is dead yet.


SwissRe investment from Warren Buffett. Deutsche Bank and Zurich Financial further problems?
But all eyes are on Bank of America. Is the ship sinking?

[herosrest]

Yay! Though.......

Before this aberration of high Tech finance and 'Invest for Theft' innovation stabilizes in oblivion
Many, many, many, of the finest and best 'will' be
doin' serious holiday time in penal fortitude.


Ssssssh!

[herosrest]

This is the easiest of all deductions.
Theft is.................... theft.
Just because people doing it do not realise, changes nothing.

Innocence is so beautiful. What'd i do

[j.m@talk]

[herosrest]

Very much deeper and quite pro found. Ooooh look a rats tail. Ha! there are the back feet...... and omg....

[herosrest]

Someone saying the entire US property market was distressed or defaulting would be laughed off court.
Yet, that is how every property, the whole lot, are valued and priced.
Then you get this plonker at the back whistling 'ability to pay'.
Throw him an egg to suck, will ya!

It might be time someone pointed this out. Loudly and with the end of their boots!