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Originally Posted by lv2wk
not happening, for next 2 years, AMD cpu is out performed INTEL.
If you can't prove it, you're more than likely wrong. Intel is probably going to have the upperhand by a pretty healthy margin in a couple of months. If a $315 chip by intel is on par with a $1000+ chip from AMD, you know there's going to be some fierce competiton to come. Either AMD releases something amazing (they've said nothing so far) or they're going to have to drop prices dramatically to compete with intel.
Last edited by MadPistol; 04-24-2006 at 01:03 AM.
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Bang for the buck is whats gunna win this battle... simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Mood
Bang for the buck is whats gunna win this battle... simple as that.
If Intel vs AMD market share was equal, then i'd agree with you. However Intel still dominates the market, even though AMD has gained a good amount of market share, its still not enough. The only way they will continue to gain market share is if they have the BETTER product period, not a better "value" product.
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hmm... over in the other website there was a really good article about the AMD Quad vs. Intel Quad, and AMD is out performing Intel by at least 38% in the same test.
Server tests
later this year both Intel and AMD are coming out with the Octaron or whatever they will call that, so 4 core in 1 cpu, times 2 cpu in 1 board = 8 cores.
i'll like to see those going head to head again
our company had to adjust our software selling model to match these ever increasing cores per CPU
some times next year Intel announced (not in the media yet) already a 1 cpu x 8core, so that will make a dual cpu board 16 core
but AMD couldn't answer us on the 16core thing.... so hmm... maybe Intel might eventually have a lead again, if AMD doesn;t do anything
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Well likely each core will have less capability and cache so what's the point?
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not quite, everytime they bump another core they double Independent cache and bandwidth for each core (AMD)
Intel was the only one that had problem with Cache and bandwidth per Core.
although their most recent, and more expensive versions of the Cache per Core (copy-cat AMD) fixes that issue.
it'll be interesting to see how they can fit 16 meg of L2 cache in the entire Dice
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The hardware advances are fantastic but.....
until the software programing catch's up nothing is going to change greatly.
There is no real innovation in parallel programing for x86 multiple core processors.
Best to date, just seem to hog a single core.
Who ever figures it out will be a star of the 21st century.
Going from 4core to 8 is perhaps not that clever a move.
4power2(16) is the hurdle worth concentrating on.
After that simply take each 16 core processor 3d.
Stack 'em on top of each other up to 16 high in chip.
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I think past four there will be serious heat problems
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Originally Posted by pandaz3
I think past four there will be serious heat problems
as this rate, soon enough Liquid cooling will be a Standard for Desktop/Home PC, and Liquid Nitrogen for Servers at work places
those liquid cooling companies will be rich!
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Originally Posted by RamonGTP
If Intel vs AMD market share was equal, then i'd agree with you. However Intel still dominates the market, even though AMD has gained a good amount of market share, its still not enough. The only way they will continue to gain market share is if they have the BETTER product period, not a better "value" product.
I didnt say anything about a value product... im saying bang for the buck... period... if intel and amd make a chip that is equal in specs but one of them costs less... then that company is the one thats going to be on top... It used to be that because intel was the name in the game that it didnt matter... people payed out the money for the same thing.,
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eggxactly... just buy what is fastest for the buck, when you are going to build, and forget the brands
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I have been reading some runs they've been doing with Conroe's overclocked to 2.9 GHZ @ www.xtremesystems.org and I must say those chips are monsters. If this is what is in store for us from Intel in just a few short months, this may be a very golden time for processors. I can't wait to see how AMD counters this. Expect massive price cuts
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Originally Posted by Mood
I didnt say anything about a value product... im saying bang for the buck... period... if intel and amd make a chip that is equal in specs but one of them costs less... then that company is the one thats going to be on top... It used to be that because intel was the name in the game that it didnt matter... people payed out the money for the same thing.,
Then enlightn me as to the difference between "value" and "bang for the buck" and to put it quite simply, you are wrong. AMD currently has not only the better "bang for the buck" product but also the better product overall and they are still a LONG way away from being on top. Intel still dominates the market. People are STILL paying for the Intel name, sysopt members make up an incredibly small portion of the worlds population, the VAST majority of people still are unfamiliar with AMD. Sad but true. Atleast when AMD has the better product, the few that are "in the know" can recommend AMD over Intel to the less tech savvy folks, that is how AMD gained market share with the A64 line, by haveing the BETTER product. Having the better value OR "bang for the buck" product is simply not enough to overtake Intel.
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