I'm leaving AMD camp

[Plaster]

Originally posted by causticVapor


Huh? You need to get out more man. Intel systems require just as much tweaking, if not more (esp in ocing) because of the asynch memory dividers.

An athlon-based system need not be tweaked, either; default normals always work and they require no more "drivers" than the intel ones do.

rofl, you may want to re-read that post and the quote it followed.

[Plaster]

Originally posted by tcom50
Have any of the AMD fanz looked at the company loss posted by Advanced Micro, anyone can sell computer hardware for a loss, there is a very good article at overclockers.com about how the next generation of AMD cpuz must sell for a large profit or the company will become a division of IBM, at which time the prices on all AMD products goes up and stays there. So this summer you can buy a good AMD based system on the cheap, by next summer the prices on all of the product line will increase. Now even if they buy a little time with chapter 11 reorganization no judge will allow them to make products and then sell them for a losss .....

If AMD became a division of IMB then Intel would be in serious trouble. The only thing that really seperates Intel and AMD in terms of ability to sell chips is advertising. Intel has the money to advertise, AMD does not. IBM is one of the richest companies in the US. I may be mistaken, but I think they have more money than Intel.

[x51out]

C.V., he was being sarcastic.

[Slade54]

Tcom, what was the point of that comment about AMD lossing lots of money?

Everyone who follows techonolgy knows this.

AMD has very little OEM support.

Its a simple reason way. Ask your average computer person (when i say average, i mean your grandma kind of average, i.e. someone who doesnt know next to nothing) if they know who Intel is. And they will say "o yea, i know them!". Next, ask them who AMD is. And youll get "um......"

Using that knowledge, if you have two computer sitting next to eachother, both equally equiped, but one with a pentium, and another with a PR rating equivlent athlon, which system to you honstly think they are gonna choose?

Simple economics. You carry what sales.

In the enthusiast market is were everyone knows about AMD. And usually about 90% at least RESPECTS them. Not necessarily buys them. But doesnt think they are **** either, and gives them the merit they deserve.

And the same thing goes with Intel. Most ppl respects them. They may not buy them, but they give them the merit they deserve.

Any one who says that either Intel or AMD sucks is a fool.

[mobo57]

Hear hear Slade54!!!

Well put. Both are good and have their strengths. Like buying a porsche or a corvette.
Save a few grand by buying the vette, loose a little here, but gain a little there. Buy the porsche and get the status, marketing, etc that goes with it (btb look at the cost per unit for marketing on the vette versus the porsche and the AMD versus the P, it will surprise you).

There are no clear winners or loosers in the AMD-Intel performance debate.

It's called market segmentation. You find a open part of the market you are good at and sell to them. "Intel Inside" and rocking alien commercials or (what is AMD's latest commercial?).

The average schmo wants a computer to plug in and look at email, maybe some internet porn and the latest pictures from the kids. You want a system that can scream at the latest game and give you the performance you want.

It's all market segmentation driven. AMD and Intel are not going to compete head to head in the same areas. They cannot and will not. Why try to beat somebody at something they are good at when you can develop your own market where they do not have much strength??

The debate, though fun, is academic at best.

[RailFan]

Originally posted by Plaster


If AMD became a division of IMB then Intel would be in serious trouble. The only thing that really seperates Intel and AMD in terms of ability to sell chips is advertising. Intel has the money to advertise, AMD does not. IBM is one of the richest companies in the US. I may be mistaken, but I think they have more money than Intel.

Once again, proven right. All this time thanks to Plaster here, ive always have had a AMD machine that has ran 100% without a problem. Im proof of his building of AMD machines,and of others who you people wanna consider AMD the enamy,against INTEL.

My father owns a INTEL P-3 and wants to despratly retire it for possibly a AMD machine....(Plaster ill make arrangements if you want)........

But again, im sold on AMD.. People are NOT going to spend $$ on somthing thats more expensive,on somthing that WONT outscore somthing thats in-expensive BENCHMARK wise!! That was proven with YOU P-4gamer...NOW a AMD lover,,,,

In other words, If it wernt for Plaster here, me, and 3 other people wouldnt have the BAWLZ to stand up for the SNOBBY intel...which is like in my book like comparing FORD to GM....GM being AMD... I wouldnt be talking to you if AMD was so crappy!......

Thanks!

[Yoshi]

Intel has the money to make better chips, and you right AMD doesn't have a very good OEM support ( Compaq, HP , E-machines) lol you can't make a worse choice then going with these, but there may be a reason that why the ones who make good comps didn't choose AMD, but this is what I think. We all buy VIA's crappy old chips, have crappy comps, and be one big crappy family. Whatya think

[tcom50]

For sure AMD has a fine product, my point was that if you use the price/perfromance rant , it should include that fact , AMD sells to cover costs and then in order to get some short term sales boost they mark down prices on items that were marked down already....This is not a good business model .... Hey I drive the Ford Exploder and I love Chevy, why because I got a better deal......

[zybch]

Pitty that I didn't pop into this thread a few weeks back. Just so I could add another derogatory name to the list of ones allready around for Intel's Celeron Processor.

When they first came out with no cache there was a popular saying about them:

"You buy em then celeron"

("sell-her-on" for those dumb enough to not get the joke).

Then the 300A was released and all was good

I've had no experience with any cellerys over 1gig, but I build roughly 3 AMD systems per week and have never had any problems.
Except the first and only time I used an ECS board (funny that).

The copper shims that Thermaltake, among others, make is a great little $5 investment.
Not that I've chipped any corners from an athlon CPU, but its nice to know that if I happen to sneeze when installing a heatsink I'm not going to destroy the CPU.


I have nothing against the big Intel, except the prices they charge for their mainstream CPUs.

Please, a P4@1.8 costing just under DOUBLE an AMD 2000.

Of course these are Aussie prices (and a month or so old) but I believe that the % differences will be roughly the same everywhere.
btw - these are for boxed processors, not OEM ones.

Athlon 2000XP $113.00
Athlon 2200XP $127.00
Athlon 2400XP $145.00
Athlon 2600XP $176.00
Athlon 2700XP $238.00
Athlon 2800XP $306.00
Athlon 3000XP $443.00
Celeron 2.0Ghz $113.00
Celeron 2.2Ghz $120.00
Celeron 2.3Ghz $131.00
Celeron 2.4Ghz $143.00
P4 1.8Ghz $225.00
P4 2.4Ghz $272.00
P4 2.6Ghz $318.00
P4 2.8Ghz $425.00

[Aznmask]

zybch... is those Australia's price??

[causticVapor]

Oh sorry plaster, didn't see the quote. Rofl.


zybch - I agree. At the middle and low end, AMD can't be beaten. Any tbred is way faster than a willamette celeron. mid-range northwoods seem to be double the money for almost no performance advantage over their AMD counterparts. Talk about value.

[zybch]

Yup, good old australian dollar gives me the s***s. Also, because there is a larger market in the US (260Million instead of just 19.5M people) prices in America are better, even after you do the US-Aus conversion of the dollar.

[zybch]

I listed the prices in australian dollars, knock of two fifths and you'll get something like the US price.

[tcom50]

Its allready been shown that AMD is not selling products, they are giving them away, this in no way means they are poor products its just that this business model will come to a harsh end soon, you cannot charge off product losses forever, if you continue to produce computer components for one price then let the market or competition lower your price you lose money. In January AMD reported losses of over 800m just this month the losses were at 600m, folks thats m for million, they are giving away product, thats a loss of over a billion dollors in less then a year, no way they can keep this up...So buy your back up cpu now for soon enough it will either be discontinued or undergo a sharp price increase.

[x51out]

It would be a damned shame if AMD went out of business since AMD makes a much better and more efficient processor than Intel. Intel has a much better marketing department, that is clear.