Are "Peace-nicks" USEFUL IDIOTS?

[mrt1212]

anti war protestors useful idiots? what was that then? constructive criticism?

i should have indicated what it was directed to

[DS888]

This whole discussion is so stupid.
Its always been and will be as simple as that: either you rule, or you are being ruled.
In general - cowardness of modern western societys will be the main reason of fall of 'western civilization'. Our 'equal rights' way of thinking about other non-civilised countries is so idiotic... it reminds me old indian story about old woman who found frozen snake in a snow, took it home, heal it, and when snake felt better - bit her. When she was dying she asked snake 'why you bit me?! I helped you!" for what snake answered: "Didn't you knew I'm a snake, stupid?"
Muslim countries always been kept in poverty by regimes of few rich rulers. Check out their history. Some of them are so rich and appear civilised nowaday just because WE pour rivers of dollars on them in exchange for their oil. When this ends in 50 or 100 years - they will either go back to their camels again, hating us even more for sudden stop in their progress, or they will simply start terrorise us the way Korea does (give us money or we start our nuclear program again). It is all happening now with all muslim countries where they have no oil - they hate us for our higher standard of life than they have, they hate us for being non-muslims, they hate us for just being better than them. I don't care what politically-correct people say, I been there and I know OUR civilisation IS better than theirs (alas they have no civilisation at all from our point of view actually. But many of them never been here, yet they hate something what they dont even know. No one can expect them to behave like us, unless we force them.
That is unfortunate, that Saddam's regime, being the most civilised from many arabic countries, it turned against us.
ditto.

[Strawbs]

looks to me like the only reason some ppl joined the SysOpt forum is to set the cat among the pigeons.

[bonz_dragon]

I am a veteran and a father, I do not want to see another "WAR" in my life time. I do not want to see sons and daughters lying dead.
As I see it there are only three choices; 1. Saddam can disarm and go away. 2. We (the USA) can sit back and protect ourselves here on our continant and to dam with the rest of the world. 3. WAR!
Personally I would like to see opt. 1 but I think he has proven that he isn't going to do that.
I am now too old to volunteer but let them bring it over here and I'll fight anyone to the death to defend my home and country.

Even If Saddam disarms now he cannot prove to me that he is not a threat to me or his own people! He has proven that he connot be trusted.

[strat1]

Originally posted by bonz_dragon
Even If Saddam disarms now he cannot prove to me that he is not a threat to me or his own people! He has proven that he connot be trusted.

Thank you for fighting for our county.

If I thought that a 2nd Gulf war was going to be anything like Vietnam- than I would say war is never an answer - That was a dark time for American Politicians making Anti-American decisions that cost thousands of lives for Political gain and Political correctness.

I believe this administration and military leaders would never let political correctness get in the way of saving American lives.

We have tried to disarm Saddam for 12 years and it has not worked – It is time to separate the doers from the talkers and do what needs to be done- Defend America, Freedom and the rights of Humanity!

I still have not read why Saddam deserves another chance, only how evil the US is acting.

[tking]

People get so hot over this, and I'm not sure why. I suspect it has something to do with a bloated sense of self importance and I mean that as much for the "look I'm a peacenik getting media time" types as I do for the "US can do no wrong" types.

Very few people can honestly say Hussein doesn't have it coming, and I'm kind of wondering why he hasn't already. Why does his removal from power have to be such a political act? Perhaps because the urge is based on a political act (a son correcting his father's mistakes).

If everyone went and did something humbling like astronomy or fishing, maybe everyone could disengage their egos from this and see it for what it is, a trivial blip in the scheme of things that never deserved this much time, energy or allegiance.

[bonz_dragon]

Perhaps because the urge is based on a political act (a son correcting his father's mistakes).

If everyone went and did something humbling like astronomy or fishing, maybe everyone could disengage their egos from this and see it for what it is, a trivial blip in the scheme of things that never deserved this much time, energy or allegiance. [/B][/QUOTE]

I would love to do something humbling like fishing, kayaking or making love to my wife, but then I suppose you thought that Hitler was a trivial blimp in history also! Look back and study his beginings and were it took us. I believe if the US would have entered that WAR sooner many thousands of lives would have been saved around the whole world.

The father wanted to take him out, it was a UN resolution that prevented it and allowed him to stay in power.

[wallie_x]

Do they still put whistles on the noses of bombs? If they do
I just hope providence gives Saddam a flash that the sound he's hearing is his death knell.
If there must be war, let it be over quick and with minimal loss of life.
Or some Iraqi general be brave enough to end it before it starts; one shot is all it would take to end the conflict with Iraq.

[Spardan]

I find it amusing that if Bush and Blair go ahead with a pre-emptive strike they'll be liable to prosecution for warcrimes...

if only the cold war hadn't ended... then maybe Sadam would still be on the payroll of the US...

[mrt1212]

Originally posted by wallie_x
Do they still put whistles on the noses of bombs? If they do
I just hope providence gives Saddam a flash that the sound he's hearing is his death knell.
If there must be war, let it be over quick and with minimal loss of life.
Or some Iraqi general be brave enough to end it before it starts; one shot is all it would take to end the conflict with Iraq.

the conflict doesnt end at the end of saddam. what becomes of the country? who comes to power? how do we prevent fundamentalism taking power while letting the people be democratic? the conflict isnt as cut and dry as you think.

[strat1]

Originally posted by mrt1212
the conflict doesnt end at the end of saddam. what becomes of the country? who comes to power? how do we prevent fundamentalism taking power while letting the people be democratic? the conflict isnt as cut and dry as you think.

If you happen to hear what Pres Bush has planned than you might feel differently- Listen to what our leadership says, not what the media tells you!
Do you think the German Government was better off with the Nazi ‘s in power or after the US/and Allied forces rebuilt the entire **** Government?

[mrt1212]

how do you parallel nazi germany and the middle east?

what if the people of iraq want a fundamentalist "democratic" government(for arguements sake)? does the administration support that? if you want to empower the iraqi people to make their own decisions and our government doesnt like the end result do we go to war again?

link me to what the bush admin plans in post saddam iraq.

[strat1]

Originally posted by mrt1212
how do you parallel nazi germany and the middle east?
what if the people of iraq want a fundamentalist "democratic" government(for arguements sake)? does the administration support that? if you want to empower the iraqi people to make their own decisions and our government doesnt like the end result do we go to war again?link me to what the bush admin plans in post saddam iraq.

Did you even listen last night or are you one of the people that allows the bias media tell you what you should think? Last night the President said “whatever Government the people of Iraq want”.
Do you think we should give Saddam 12 more years to disarm- The UN is a joke? What is your answer?
Lets just wait for things to get better? That worked with Korea and now they have nukes- thanks Clinton! With an attitude like that we will end up like France in no time!


“How do you parallel nazi Germany and the middle east?”

Dictatorship that murders own people, Rules by force alone, Stays in power because he has the most weapons an uses them. Kills rapes, tortures innocent people. Has and uses Weapons of Mass Destruction. Invades neighboring countries. Lies to the world and his people. Is a threat to world peace… Is a threat to the USA
Stop me when I am wrong!

So many people appear to be Anti War, but are Really Anti-American. You should be raising hell about Saddam, not Pres Bush. Give him more time, give him more time, please he is really a nice guy. What if that was your mom and sisters that were raped by 50 Iraqi solders for no reason and your dad was tortured for days- that has happened to many people of Iraq.
What should the UN do now what should we do? Nothing?

[strat1]

Originally posted by Spardan
I find it amusing that if Bush and Blair go ahead with a pre-emptive strike they'll be liable to prosecution for warcrimes...

What, Why and by who France? I think you need to turn off NPR and wake up.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

The sad thing is that if there was actually anyone of any moral integrity and even better decent oposition parties in the UK if Bush goes to war he'd have been saying goodbye to his position as prime minister. Sadly politics is a farce in Britain, the torys are living in the 1800's still, the libs have been sat on the fence for so long its now halfway up theyr butts and Labour is not the socialist pary it once was, if anything its a central party. Blairs in a no lose situation here because he's simply screwing the ppl of Britain and can get away with it because the opposition dont know what month it is, we may as well be living in a dictatorship because as it is we have no realistic alternatives to Blairs middle of the road government.

--Jakk