Feed it to the lions at the zoo. They already act like they got a belly ache, always growling and grunting around.Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
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Feed it to the lions at the zoo. They already act like they got a belly ache, always growling and grunting around.Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
Interesting data, my son is currently on the USS Stennis.
http://www.nma.gov.au/research/centr...peter_stanley/
Let's tell the whole truth here, werz......
Peter Stanley is considered a social historian, quite different from a historian. His main works are considered historical interpretation, rather different from history. One is fact; the other, one's interpretation of fact. One can interpret facts all one wants to, but one can't change the facts.
Mark Forbes, not exactly an unbiased news reporter, rather glibly turns this occupation into historian, and you rather glibly (and incompletely, therefore out of context) quote Forbes. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of events as they really happened.
Chop him up into shark bait, then we can call him our "chum". :r :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mireland
Why would I invent anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lgbpop
http://www.awm.gov.au/events/talks/oration2006.asp
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Dr Peter Stanley was appointed Director of the Centre for Historical Research in early 2007. He is best known as a military social historian and was principal historian at the Australian War Memorial for 20 years.
Here you go. Not the Hollywood version.Quote:
Peter's 19th book, Invading Australia: Japan and the Battle for Australia, 1942, is due to be published by Penguin in July 2008.
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That’s not to say that had events gone differently Australia would never have faced an actual threat. Had the battles of the Coral Sea and Midway especially been lost; had Australian and American forces failed to regain the initiative in the Solomons and Papua – then things might have gone differently. But history deals with what happened, not what might have happened. The fact is that there was a potential Japanese threat in 1942, a decision was made not to invade and no further opportunity presented itself. We can only remember and commemorate what happened.
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How dare I say this, some of you may ask. I can assure you, I’m not the first. I take my cue from official historians Gavin Long, Dudley McCarthy, Lionel Wigmore and Paul Hasluck. If they did not endorse the idea of a “Battle for Australia”, then we need to be convinced before we do.
There is a subtle and ingratious undertone to the interpretation given.
The significant difference between Japan and the USA was in ability to produce and marshall the material for war. The flood of US resources which overwhelmed Japan kicked in from late 1943 - game over. Until that time US military reserves and production lines provided the resources which enabled UK, Australia, China and the US to hold the line and slug it out with their enemies. USSR received huge assistance. That is the simple truth of the matter.
Had Midway and New Guinea gone in favour of Japan, they didn't need to invade. You would have been starved of supplies until 1944. The one Division America had available for her own purposes in summer 1942 was thrown onto Guadalcanal at terrible cost. Meanwhile TWO US lnfantry divisions and an absolute mountain of resources were commited to Australia's mainland defence.
Small US garrisons held a string of lslands from New Zealand up to Midway. With no US carriers each would have been neutralised at Japans whim and the supply routes to Oz cut. The US effort in support of Australia during 1942 was lncredible and unrecognised. They didn't need to do it.
http://files.myopera.com/herosrest/a...%20'42.jpg
Arguably, the most heroic warriors of the 20th Century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT-8
They are on film here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL_2saZlNjQ before they flew off that day.
One member of the mission survived. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq81-8c.htm
This group of men saved a lot of arses and made things better.
They are the reason Midway went the way it did.
There was a design flaw in US torpedo's that wasn't realised at this time.
The majority of the torpedos would not have detonated on contact.
They did explode however, as each aircraft was shot down.
Stop being disingenuous. History does not happen a certain way because of what one historian said or did, especially not when that history is within living memory. History happened, and despite what spin one chooses to put on it the fact remains that events transpired as they transpired. Can a revisionist say that the rail trains to Auschwitz never existed? Of course he could. Does that mean they didn't exist? Of course not. Unless Mr. Stanley was privy to the Japanese War Ministry's confidential planning, all of his supposition is just that - supposition.
Your social historian, by the article you yourself quote and whose link you posted, is posing an argument for his point - that's far from him saying his point is the truth. The only one I've seen claiming that his argument is the truth is you. No one said you were inventing anything. I said you glibly and misleadingly quoted parts of suspect authors' works. I was right. Matter of fact, it seems you're still doing it; your first two quotes:
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Dr Peter Stanley was appointed Director of the Centre for Historical Research in early 2007. He is best known as a military social historian and was principal historian at the Australian War Memorial for 20 years.
don't appear to come from the article you cited directly above the quotes, at least not that I can find. Perhaps you'd link directly to the quotes and prove it?Quote:
Peter's 19th book, Invading Australia: Japan and the Battle for Australia, 1942, is due to be published by Penguin in July 2008.
Just smile Werz. Grin in ya have to. lt's what friends are for. :rolleyes:
lgpop you'll find lthe quotes if you bother looking.
I have no idea how to link directly to the relevant paragraph, so I counted down and it's about the 32nd.
Other notable historians say the same thing, so the fact that you think that because he's known as a social historian, is something less than a real historian, he was the resident historian at the Aust war museum for 20 years.
Hero as he says.Quote:
How dare I say this, some of you may ask. I can assure you, I’m not the first. I take my cue from official historians Gavin Long, Dudley McCarthy, Lionel Wigmore and Paul Hasluck. If they did not endorse the idea of a “Battle for Australia”, then we need to be convinced before we do.
"History is what happened." It's not what could have happened if things were different.
It's not disingenuous to stick to facts rather than what if, or if this was different, because of this.... It wasn't.
I'm not denigrating the sacrifices and heroic effort made by all involved.Quote:
the evidence shows without doubt that while the Japanese high command considered an invasion it decided against one, and never had the opportunity to change its mind. We need to be careful not to imply that Australians in 1942 were wrong to hold this belief – they clearly weren’t – but in 2006 we cannot continue to talk about Japanese plans or intentions to invade Australia in 1942 when there is no evidence for such plans, and much evidence to show that none was planned.
But Australia was used by MacArthur as his HQ and as a base from which resources were marshalled for battles in the islands, once they had Guam the bombers could reach mainland Japan, no doubt the troops and material could have been used to defend Australia, but thats not why they were sent here.
http://www.awm.gov.au/events/talks/oration2006.aspQuote:
you find that those in charge knew that the danger of invasion ended not in June 1943, when Curtin admitted it publicly, but in June 1942, when the Advisory War Cabinet accepted that invasion was unlikely and when MacArthur told Curtin that Australia’s security was “assured”.15
That is why the image l posted is titled June '42.
That was the month Midway was fought. That's why MacArthur told Curtin that Australia’s security was “assured”.
Don't make me stop this car.
"Are we there yet" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
"Dad I'm Bored"
"Bored Bored Bored Bored Bored Bored Bored"
"This thread has got ...... BOOOOOOOORING"
Did I mention I was a tad dulled out ? :t
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Originally Posted by j.m@talk
(opens door, pushes JM out) :D
You actually wanna hang around & listen to these A-Holes talkin' lotsa male Chicken ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mireland
Geebers ...... J0000000 Saddo :t
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Originally Posted by j.m@talk
no I don't, but any chance to shove YOU out a moving vehicle................ :D
Fair doo's :(
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Originally Posted by j.m@talk
after I shove you out..I'm running over obama and mccain.... :mad:
I still say this is all double-talk. :D How can the evidence show the Japanese decided not to invade when in the very next sentence he declares there was no evidence for such plans? It's impossible to prove a negative. :rolleyes:Quote:
the evidence shows without doubt that while the Japanese high command considered an invasion it decided against one, and never had the opportunity to change its mind. We need to be careful not to imply that Australians in 1942 were wrong to hold this belief – they clearly weren’t – but in 2006 we cannot continue to talk about Japanese plans or intentions to invade Australia in 1942 when there is no evidence for such plans, and much evidence to show that none was planned.
OK, I'm stopping the car, beating yer bum and leaving you along the road, ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by j.m@talk
Either that or you can ride with werz
Either one would just about serve him right.Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
If he goes with werz I wanna operate the catapult. I'd have steam leaking from every seal and valve before I cut her loose. :r I want to be sure they don't get run over by the ship. (might damage a screw or rudder)
To Davey Jones locker wif the both of'em. :mad:
Talk like that will cause ya to wake up wiv a crowd around "Y0 Acre"! & such :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
No one better crowd around my acre, I'll bash them with your Maglite
Sounds reasonable ........... My Ma had it the last time I saw it........ Wanted to go under the raised area in church or summink....... I decided that keeping outta that one was the best fing to do in the circumstances ;)
:t
just when I thought this thread could get no more asinine... :rolleyes:
Never think that, it can always go down the swirlyQuote:
Originally Posted by mireland
Here y'are JM. Fix this up......... will ya! :p
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/ZPark/Torpedo-2.jpg
A hammer, a drill, some sheet metal and a pop rivet gun and JM would have her good as new. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by herosrest
Duct tape ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BadDriver
Too right ..... "I can fix it"...... Gimme 20 mins ;)
No way, I want Murph to fix it right. Maybe weld some new panels in and stuff. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
Then he can post pics like he did with the rodent.
I'm sure he'd post pics of the duct tape too, LOL
Here's one I took today
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...Nasturtium.jpg
Nice. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
Fall is setting in here, the leaves are starting to change. I need to go to the river and take some pics of the hills. They aren't peaking yet but getting there. We get one hell of a color show here usually.
I need to go down to the river and take some pikkis of the dead bodies floatin in the river... :t
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Originally Posted by mireland
it really is a lovely town I live in... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by j.m@talk
Is there enough water in the Boise this time of year to float a body?Quote:
Originally Posted by mireland
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Originally Posted by leprechaun_40
actually yes...we had a good winter last year. :D
Good, so where's the body pics?