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12-23-2002, 05:49 PM
Omega2k1

Radeon 8500 LE 128mb or Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb

Ok which should i get...
A Radeon 8500 LE 128mb by Sapphire for $94 from newegg.com
A Radeon 8500 LE 128mb by Sapphire for $89 from ENPC.com
A Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb by Sapphire for $98 from GameVE.com
or
A Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb by Sapphire for $98 from All Star Shop Online

I'm not sure which is better because the Radeon 8500 LE is a lower clocked 8500 while a 9000 pro is almost the same as a 8500 excluding i think one texture pipeline or something like that... Which puts the performance at about the same..
12-23-2002, 06:01 PM
$1500-P4 gamer

I hate sapphire. They put 5ns mem on the 8500 128mb I recieved by mistake. Heck the 7500 BBA has 4ns mem even. So if you want slower mem than a 7500 on a 8500 I guess its ok, but useless. I really orderd the ati 8500 BBA with 3.3ns mem. That mem on the sapphire could be anywhere from 5ns- 3.6ns. Your taking a big chance on that.;)
12-23-2002, 06:08 PM
Omega2k1

Well this card said specifically it had the 3.6ns memory on it.

Or should i go with the 8500 LE made by ATI for $109 from ENPC
12-23-2002, 06:12 PM
Omega2k1

Also... How is PowerColor, are they cheap like Sapphire or are they better?
12-23-2002, 06:25 PM
causticVapor

PowerColor is worse.

BTW P4gamer, Anandtech said that sapphire makes the BBA cards as well, which is interesting. Why would they put lower rated memory on their own then :confused:

I suppose they want to have their own line that costs less than the BBA....
12-23-2002, 07:09 PM
Omega2k1

Ok completly forget about brands... which is better a Radeon 9000 Pro or an 8500 LE?
12-23-2002, 07:23 PM
NDD

I'd say the 8500LE.
Be sure to check here as well ...
12-23-2002, 08:28 PM
Omega2k1

Yeah i'm going with the 8500LE... Now on the brand thing...

Seriosly is Sapphire that bad? Because my dad isnt letting me spend the extra $10 on the ATI version(its for a christmas present and for the Sapphire version he's paying $20 more on me then my sister)...

I mean... can you seriously tell the difference between 3.3ns and 3.6 ns... Thats going to what drop me by like 2fps?
12-23-2002, 09:00 PM
Omega2k1

Ok i'm not getting the Sapphire... I've read the reviews on new egg... It comes with 5.1ns DDR clocked at 200mhz... So in other words its a complete peice of ****... i'm going to make my dad get me the ATI...
12-23-2002, 10:42 PM
Omega2k1

Well i just ordered the white box version of the 8500LE(made by ATI). I should have it on Saturday(if they ship on saturday's...) or monday.
12-24-2002, 02:35 AM
$1500-P4 gamer

Quote:

Originally posted by Omega2k1
Ok i'm not getting the Sapphire... I've read the reviews on new egg... It comes with 5.1ns DDR clocked at 200mhz... So in other words its a complete peice of ****... i'm going to make my dad get me the ATI...

I tried to tell ya. I even took pics before I sent it back to newegg of the crappy 5ns mem thats junk. Thats so people will believe, twas about to post them. NO Sapphire does not make the bba radeons at all. Only ATI factorys do. Spapphire is a member of the "ati partner program" nothing more. And they are junk IMHO. The one I had scored about 5000+ on 3dmark. LOL thats worse than my G3 which got 6500. This BBA one though hehe, now it beats the G3 hands down. So yep, there is a HUGE dif and def. worth $10 more.;)
12-24-2002, 01:33 PM
user0209

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12-24-2002, 02:42 PM
AllGamer

Re: Radeon 8500 LE 128mb or Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb

Quote:

Originally posted by Omega2k1
Ok which should i get...
A Radeon 8500 LE 128mb by Sapphire for $94 from newegg.com
A Radeon 8500 LE 128mb by Sapphire for $89 from ENPC.com
A Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb by Sapphire for $98 from GameVE.com
or
A Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb by Sapphire for $98 from All Star Shop Online

I'm not sure which is better because the Radeon 8500 LE is a lower clocked 8500 while a 9000 pro is almost the same as a 8500 excluding i think one texture pipeline or something like that... Which puts the performance at about the same..

All of them are good choices

but!... not with the Sapphire label

make sure you get a REAL ATI
12-24-2002, 04:28 PM
Lycia

Check out Thresh's Firing Squad. They do areview of the new DirrectX9 API and ATI's Catalyst 3.0 drivers. They benchmarked the 9700 pro, 9500pro, 9000pro and the 8500pro. The 9000pro while getting beat by the 9700 and 9500 easily beat down the 8500....

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardwa...t3/default.asp
12-24-2002, 05:25 PM
AllGamer

I think you need to read that again

all of the graphs shows the 8500 beat the 9000 in every area with 3.0 or 2.5

:p
12-24-2002, 06:08 PM
$1500-P4 gamer

Quote:

Originally posted by AllGamer
I think you need to read that again

all of the graphs shows the 8500 beat the 9000 in every area with 3.0 or 2.5

:p

Yeah, thats more like what Ive seen in benches too.;) Keeping my 8500 I am.
12-27-2002, 11:57 AM
*TeKKeD*

what about a PowerColor 9000Pro 128 Meg ATi card??? how do i determine what kind of memory is being used on this card???? it's a 152 EURO card!!!
12-27-2002, 04:14 PM
Omega2k1

Well... thats not really a good buy... Thats just over $160 US and you can get them made by ATI for around $130.
12-27-2002, 06:29 PM
morpheus kain

Is the 9100 just an 8500 with higher clocks?
12-27-2002, 08:38 PM
Disk11

No way. 8500's are much better than 9000's. 9000's are more on par with, or a little better than, the gf4 mx series.
12-27-2002, 08:45 PM
morpheus kain

I said 9100, not 9000.
12-27-2002, 09:46 PM
Omega2k1

This is the only info i've found...

http://www.ati.com/technology/hardwa...100/index.html

I'm assuming its like a Radeon 9000 except with 2 pixle pipelines... Or a supped up 8500 with extra pixle shaders, or something like that...
12-27-2002, 10:16 PM
morpheus kain

So it's an improved 8500 correct?
12-27-2002, 10:19 PM
Omega2k1

Thats what i'm assuming... i cant find any info on it, thats in english anyway...
12-28-2002, 02:07 PM
morpheus kain

Yeah I'm having the same GD problem...... I need a good German to English translator.
12-30-2002, 09:53 PM
Omega2k1

Ok... i've got my card and it is supposed to be a white boxed Radeon 8500 LE, which if i'm not mistaken is supposed to be clocked at 250/250, well this one is clocked at 250/200... Its made by ATI because it has all of the ATI stuff on there but i'm not sure about the memory, if its 3.3ns or if its that ****ty 5.1ns. Is there some way i can tell?
12-30-2002, 11:08 PM
morpheus kain

Tell us the numbers on the ram modules.
12-31-2002, 01:27 AM
Avor

Definately the Radeon 8500LE.

Try to get one made by ATI, they are the better ones :)

http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...ct_code=290729

79.99 right now at CompUSA! (Dec 30th)
12-31-2002, 03:05 AM
$1500-P4 gamer

Quote:

Originally posted by Omega2k1
Ok... i've got my card and it is supposed to be a white boxed Radeon 8500 LE, which if i'm not mistaken is supposed to be clocked at 250/250, well this one is clocked at 250/200... Its made by ATI because it has all of the ATI stuff on there but i'm not sure about the memory, if its 3.3ns or if its that ****ty 5.1ns. Is there some way i can tell?

Ive yet to see a real ATI that was clocked that low on the mem. More like sapphires junk. Its has the white ATI logo on back of board and seriel #'s? Go to ati website and find the "identify my product" link on front page. Enter the #'s then you will know who made it for sure. Mine is 250/275!:D
12-31-2002, 06:41 AM
*TeKKeD*

what about cards from Chaintech???? what kind of memory do they use???? can anyone answer this???
12-31-2002, 07:32 AM
$1500-P4 gamer

There is no garuntee on 3rd party cards. I have no idea how they rate. Check some reviews-lots of'em and see if people are happy with that brand of radeon. That will generally tell ya cause they will comment on the ram speeds. It also helps to get a quote somewhere of the retailers spec of mem. Buy from a reputable co. and then if its not the spec they promised return it till they get it right. If they wont garuntee a spec buy elsewheres. Thats been my experience in all this.:t
12-31-2002, 04:19 PM
Omega2k1

GRRR... **** THEM... THEY SENT ME THE SAPPHIRE CARD!!!

AND THEIR CLOSED TODAY AND TOMARROW SO I CANT CALL THEM!

Their site specifically said ATI Radeon 8500 LE 128mb MANUFACTURED BY ATI

here's the link

http://avlogic.com/product.cgi?code=11223714
12-31-2002, 04:33 PM
AllGamer

Computers > GRAPHICS > Video Adapters
ATI RADEON 8500LE DUAL DISPLAY 128MB DDR TV-OUT (WHITE BOX) (White Box)

SKU#: 11223714
Reg. Price: US$199.00
Our Price: US$99.00
You save: US$100.00

Manufacturer: ATI TECHNOLOGIES
Man. Part #:
Warranty: 1 Year

Stock: yes (Usually ships within 24 hours)
12-31-2002, 04:34 PM
AllGamer

it doesn't say "BUILD BY ATI"

Not even "Manufacutred by ATI"

it says

Manufacturer: ATI

as in

Brand of the chip : ATI

:t
12-31-2002, 04:35 PM
Omega2k1

Well that is missleading... I'm going to return it and get my money back. Then go somewhere else.
12-31-2002, 04:57 PM
AllGamer

yup all plans of the bad Sales people mind to play tricks on untrained buyers eyes :p

here's a good place to by from

http://www.canadacomputers.com/video.html
12-31-2002, 05:50 PM
morpheus kain

I've used www.newegg.com many times and they've never given me a reason to complain. :t
12-31-2002, 07:04 PM
$1500-P4 gamer

Not to bring up old stuff here but Newegg did the switchero on me twice in a row. I order from manufacturer:ATI tab under video cards and they sent me friggen 3rd party. There is a ATI 3rd party tab and I didnt even go there-knew what **** it had to offer! Both times they had to refund the money. So I had to go elsewheres. then the chick has the nerve in the email to say "we do offer the built by ati" Im like heloo you dumn f#ck thats what I orderd and you sent the wrong one twice in a row. I sent them the link to the page I saved. LOL all they could say is that they didnt understand what happend. Twice I said- "whatever" buying it elsewheres. Now everything else I have ever orderd was fine from them which is a ton of parts. But they are pulling that **** with the "built by ati" ones too. I dont trust them with getting "real" ati cards.:t
01-01-2003, 01:20 AM
morpheus kain

Hrmm that's good to know, thanks P4!:t
01-03-2003, 02:08 AM
OpK Chowdy

aw ****! i suggested to a buddy of mine that he buy the Radeon 8500 LE 128mb for $94 by Sapphire. After reading a review somewhere that said it had 3.3ns ram, i was satisfied with it and gave it the go-ahead. Man..he's gonna be pissed when he gets his 5.1ns POS. :mad:

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