When do think 3.5" Floppy will be replaced, as in no longer included as a accessorie when buying a complete system?
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When do think 3.5" Floppy will be replaced, as in no longer included as a accessorie when buying a complete system?
Never, there were some movements in the late eighties to try and do away with them, but quite frankly they are indispensible unless they find somethign else which is as easy to boot up a computer in an emergency than a boot floppy.
CDs are more prone to not working without minimal drivers so boot CDS woudln't work.
I don't really use floppies as a transportable storage medium, I use a floppy as a boot disk.
However they are the best transportable storage because everyone has one, there aren't problems, you could say that everyone has a CD drive, but CDs are too large to fit in your pocket, and it's easier to fluff up a cd-burn. Also not every computer has one yet.
Until wireless networking for all is standard then I don't see it being replaced soon.
As Richard said, even if CDs are good, and Transportable, in my case i have no problem sliding a cd in my walled or shirt pocket. Not every CD ROM / DVD Rom drive is bootable,
some BIOS are stupid, you set it to boot, it can't do it, etc.
so i agree about the FDD being here forever.
say even if they have a 120 Meg SFDD, then you can still use the 1.4 Mb to boot no matter what.
It's like Watching Johny Neumonic, all that computer junk, and people still uses FDD
:D
When the internet and mass networking becomes freely availiable to all, as people will be able to transfer files to each other quickly and easily without having to go to the trouble of preparing a floppy disc and carting it from PC to PC. The only remaining use of Floppys would be as boot or emergency repair discs, but we are seeing more and more bootable CD's and when again CDRW becomes availiable idespread, everyone will be using repair CD's rather than floppies :)
--Just my two penneth :)
--Jakk:t
Vive La Floppy
That they're relatively inexpensive and people have a bunch of files on them, probably never. Maybe when people move away from DOS. But then, do other OS have needs for it?
richard and allgamer you guys don't think the booting problem would be solved in a decade?
as for being portable, I would think a usb key chain is more flexible than a floppy although they do cost more, but cd-r use to cost like a dollar a piece when first made and I still have
$200 cd burner with 2x from the "early" days.
Well it hasn't been solved in the previous decade, and I don't think anyone is working on it.
As for the USB keychain, again, it won't work under DOS (well there were reports of USB keyboard in DOS on another thread :eek: so it might work one day?) but unless they have tiny HD like drives that you shove in when you need something to boot from in emergency the floppy is still the best bet, and floppy drives are cheaper than other drives, it best suits boot disk situations.
Other than that there is no reason to replace them, they still do what they need to fine, and for everything else there is FTP or a CD-burner.
althought the USB keychain is a good idea, it's too expensive still, to be cost effective at this point.
so 1.44 is still the way to go
:D
By The way did you know, i hate USB??
if that was a FireWire device (IEEE 1394), then it'll be a different story.
or the new upcomming Serial SCSI
but still i love WIRELESS the best!!
I think soon once Win98se dies, or they find a way to truely make it plug n play like 2K and XP the hardware companies will start including their software on USB keychain thingies. I mean there is a 512MB USB keychain device, you cant do that with a floppy. I wouldn't be surprised if they did away with dricers on CDs for this method. Though storage might hamper the idea, CDs stack nice and neat, those little usb things can just get thrown in a drawer.
***Note to self: Read other posts before adding your own. DOH!! :rolleyes:
too messy, do you know how many drawers or keychain holders on the wall you'll need along the years??? :eek:
I think soon once Win98se dies, or they find a way to truely make it plug n play like 2K and XP the hardware companies will start including their software on USB keychain thingies. I mean there is a 512MB USB keychain device, you cant do that with a floppy. I wouldn't be surprised if they did away with dricers on CDs for this method. Though storage might hamper the idea, CDs stack nice and neat, those little usb things can just get thrown in a drawer.
yup, I've seen floppy drives being sold about as cheap as a floppy disk, it costs little for people to add them to machines and there is no point not having one.
No one is going to invest in solutions to other ways of emergency booting because there is no money to be made from it.
Like it or not we'll be stuck with the loveable 1.44 double density floppy for a good many years yet, I wouldn't expect them to go unless there is a massive shake up to do with drives and data as a whole.
Richard is rite.
This point brings back how Futile to use USB or FireWire to be your Troubleshooting medium, when you are trying to fix a machine and is booting up.
until none of those devices can be started at Boot Up time.
that goes for CD too, for those that don't know, bootable CDs has drivers in them, else it wont load after boot.
but back to the FDD 1.44 mb 3.5"
everysystem will load that by default
no driver needed.
just because of that, it beats the competition.
no need to compare prices, or feasibility, or sizes.
win xp needs 6 floppies to boot up if you don't use the cd. In say, five years the most popular OS is going to be at least 2x at large as the current one. So would we need 12 floppies? that would make it inefficient to use, wouldn't it?
I don't mean to load the whole OS, but to load DOS so you can then load the rest from a CD.
Richard is on the same wave length
when you do repairs you NEVER start with the OS itself.
if you really want to load ANY OS, you either boot up with the CD ROM, or DOS first then load whatever you need.
about what Bigjakkstaffa said, when eveyone can connect to the internet, Microsoft can make a bootable pc webpage and you can just download the files!
Same deal
the internet idea is only good if you CAN GO ON TO THE INTERNET to get your stuff.
how are you gonna go to the Internet, if you CAN'T EVEN START THE COMPUTER?
I agree w\ Allgamer when it comes to USB keychains but as long as win95 1st ed. and WIN NT 4.0 are still in use, the floppy will remain king. There are still lots of computers out there w\o USB onboard and lots of boxes running the old oper systems especially NT in the business world. It's to bad that the LS-120 didn't really catch on.
i hate floppys, i only use them for boot disks, and as soon as there is complete bios support for cd bootups and cd-burners become a lot cheaper and more standard (which shouldnt be long) then floppys will finally die. )-| )-| :D
Currently, the main reason for keeping a floppy drivce is to boot a machine under a diff opsys when the main one has problems, or does not support functionality that the OS can't give you directly (eg. copy between two primary partitions; read OS files (eg. registry))
The second reason is to install OS. If the OS is pre-installed, the vendor will say no diskette is required.
The third is to install drivers. If the OS can read a CD, then a diskette is not required.
The 4th is to re-install if the OS goes bad. I don't believe vendors will ever admit that they can ALWAYS get out of a mess. I don't believe them.
They should keep diskette units, BUT $$ says they will be gone. MOBO vendors will be forced to support boots from CD (not RW).
:D
I voted for more than 2014 or later because I think they will never go away:p
Floppies go poof when all of these (and maybe more) are met:
Another media comes along
fits lots of Gigs
everyone has the drive/media
they are reliable
bootable
play music
fit in with copyright laws but not screw plp over
cheap as dirt
small and durable
works with all computers
(in other words, prolly not for a while)
download through DOS like the old days :)Quote:
Originally posted by AllGamer
Same deal
the internet idea is only good if you CAN GO ON TO THE INTERNET to get your stuff.
how are you gonna go to the Internet, if you CAN'T EVEN START THE COMPUTER?
why would it have to fit lots of gigs and play music?Quote:
Originally posted by _-~-_
Floppies go poof when all of these (and maybe more) are met:
Another media comes along
fits lots of Gigs
everyone has the drive/media
they are reliable
bootable
play music
fit in with copyright laws but not screw plp over
cheap as dirt
small and durable
works with all computers
(in other words, prolly not for a while)
Also you can't make a storage device fit in with copywrite, copywrite deals with people copying material independent to the medium.
Quote:
Originally posted by rick42
MOBO vendors will be forced to support boots from CD (not RW).
:D
What are you talking about???
I'm already able to boot from my CDRW in my CD/RW/ROM and+or DVD/ROM
Yeah i believe they'll not go away for a long long whileQuote:
Originally posted by Bizkitkid2001
I voted for more than 2014 or later because I think they will never go away:p
Probably until we get Cerebrum cybernetic inplants.
:D :x :p :r :t :)
Floppies seem to have a terrible habit of getting corrupted or files not working offa them, especially in dos and especially when theyre boot disks in my experience. They seem to very fragile on the PC, not like when using the same disk on the Amiga, that truly was tough as nails, you could jump up and down in a floppy and it would probably still work in Amiga DOS / Workbench :p
--Jakk:t
well you can thanks Microshaft for that shiiiity file system, that has been a torment for everybody from DOS 1.0 beta to WinME, and even now in WinXP
Maybe with the FD32MB system, floppys won't die instead the current floppy drives will. But if they make a floppy that holds than much data they will probably reconstruct the floppy's shell to make it more durable and then it wouldn't be a floppy... or would it.... :)
huh :confused: , you lost me there dude...:x
FD32MB system:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,40501,00.asp
It's not popular yet but prices will drop when competition rolls around.
if that's the reason
I rather have them Push more the 120meg FDD. that 1 has much more space, and it's still 1.44 compatible
and it also has boot support like the 1.44
but of course its on IDE.
so which mean, if you are trying to figure out an IDE problem during boot time
you are still SCREWED!!
FDD is still best.
:D
Quote:
Originally posted by Bizkitkid2001
I voted for more than 2014 or later because I think they will never go away:p
What about DNA Computers? With the current rate of genetic research those shouldn't take too long.Quote:
Originally posted by AllGamer
Yeah i believe they'll not go away for a long long while
Probably until we get Cerebrum cybernetic inplants.
I think I should have made the poll longer, should have gone by +2 years and +5 years.
we are jumping subjects already, but i like the new theme
:p
Well, i can see we'll have Quantum Computers before we come close with the DNA computers.
DNA computers research is still in its baby cratter.
meanwhile the Quantum (ATOMs) computers are already in "production" and working on major selected universities around the world.
in google do a search for Quantum Computing.
so far the 2 most effective ones are the Helium and H2O version of it.
I feel the 1.44 is here for a long time. What other device is as inexpensive, portable, universally available and will be found when booting in an emergency situation:confused: Not all machines have a cd drive, some won't boot from it, and it's not as easy to carry around.
Zip is as portable as the old floppy, but not all machines have one, most won't boot to it and it's expensive.
USB for boot device, hardly, no drivers available to recognize USB, it sucks any how :D
Floppys are cheap and everyone has one, except for a few early Imacs:r But even Apple conceded to demand and made them available.:x
I vote for the good old cheap floppy drive:p
Also, on the network boot, how?? if the machine doesn't have some network recognition built into the bios it sure won't boot to a network drive:rolleyes:
wouldnt want to get along with out the 3 1/2 floppy, sure beats the old 5 1/4 with 360K floppies, but say you find a couple files or some thing you just want to save to think about, dont want to permenently HD, it, you sure arnt going to burn a CD, what is more handy than thal little floppy drive??? I always keep an empty disk in the drive .not quite in. most time just hit ,send to , A