For those of you that are confused and wondering

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[JnMHayes]

Silly wabbit. The roots of hatred go back waaaay before that. Ever heard of Cain and Abel?

Or do you think Time is right and the Bible is wrong?
Jn

[OuTpaTienT]

hehe, that's funny caddmann.

btw, Time, Inc. <---- liberal biased ('cept for maybe one or two of their writers.)

and before you say it CM, I know full well that many of the articles I link to are biased. That's why they are from the opinions pages of papers or from columns (which are opinions from their writers), they are not presented as fact.

[Atomic Rooster]

"We want to understand, are you Americans in favor of human rights and freedom? Or is that the privilege of some people and not others?" says Essam El Eryan, a leading member of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

That's pretty funny coming from a guy that belives that Isreal should be eliminated and keeps his women uneducated and covered from head to toe while out in public.

[omeyehead]

I find it interesting that Time puts the blame on the Palestinian situation on Israel. If I remember history correctly, it was the Arabic countries around Israel who convinced the Palestinians to "get out of the way" so we can drive them from your lands. We all know who did the driving in the '40's, '60's, and after a brief loss, in the '70's. It is only from applied political pressure by the US, UK etc...that they have exercised any restraint in dealing with that situation. Those that have the most to lose are going to fight the hardest. Where are the countries that convinced the Palestinians to move today (Egypt, Syria, Jordan)? They sure aren't welcoming their displaced brethren with open arms are they!

[OuTpaTienT]

That's right. In fact, maybe we should stop being an influence in the middle east, maybe we should just leave'em all (including the Israelis) to their own accord. Because we all know what would happen don't we? The Arab nations would assist Palestine in trying to force out the Israelis...and then the Israelis would simply nuke them all.

Who do ya think has been holding Israel back from the fight?

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[daveleau]

Most of the info is correct. I saw and wrote 6 detailed points as to what they were but lost it when II clicked the wrong link. (Idiot!)

I will try and retype the basics:

1- Our policy is not meddling. Israel was there first and was taken by the Palastinians. Jews lived there and then were overrun. We merely set things back the way they were. We righted the wrong.

2- "That element is the idea that the U.S. is not just the enemy of the Arabs or even of Muslims generally but also the enemy of God." Another missed reporting. They do not believe we are the enemy of God. They do not believe in God. They believe in Allah. Many will tell you they are the same, but they are not. God's son is Jesus. Islam believes that Jesus was just a good teacher, and thus proves that God and Allah are not one. We are believed to be the enemy of their god, Allah, not God.

3- "the biggest player among all such militants today, Osama bin Laden" bin Laden is not the biggest player. He is one of the biggest players. Another mis-reoprt by our poorly crafted Time Mag.

4- "Will the U.S. go to war against Middle East enemies and, by that very act, just create more of them? " Typical liberal drivle. They would rather have us sit by and let them pick us off one by one than to stand up for ourselves. Totally unAmerican. Any war breeds new allies and new enemies. It pushes moderates to one side or the other. This is normal. That is why the campaign will endure. We must perisist until all terrorists and their supporters (supporters on ANY level) are vanquished.

5- "According to the U.N., some 5,000 Iraqi children die every month of malnutrition and disease because of the sanctions. " Time neglects to mention that the US spends millions to send Iraq food and medical supplies. Our sanctions are sanctions against Iraqi's military, not against food and other supplies. This is an abhorent ommision to make the US look as bad as it can. We do not lay seige to Iraq. Saddam does. He is holding back our aid to make his people appear to suffer under our oppression. Again, we have done nothign worng except save Kuwait from a similar fate.

6- "They list the U.S. sanctions against Syria, Libya, Iran and Sudan--all Muslim countries (and all, not coincidentally, considered by the State Department to be sponsors of terrorism)." Time tries to slight our policy by saying that these are seen by the State Department as terrorists. We must not mince words. These ARE terrorist nations. Playing symantics by not calling the kettle black is a reprehensible action. These countries are no better than bin Laden himself. These countries send their resources, not to their starving citizens, but to a millionaire to kill innocent people. These countries are just as liable. These countries must pay, and they will. They neglected to mention UAE, Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and to a lesser extent Egypt. All these are terrorist nations who must be punished for their actions against civilized people of the world.

[Fingers]

Club_Med... are you being serious? The US has been tightly involved with the Israel/Palestine conflict for as long as I can remember.

And OuT's comment is NOT overstated. The US has been doing whatever it can to hold the reigns on Israel. The US and Israel are tight allies, and there's no doubt that we've indirectly and directly prevented Israel from killing countless Palestinians.

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[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by club_med
I thought you’d all like the article

I was interested to see how the usual gang would react to an article that portrays the situation from another perspective.

Obviously none of you posted any valid arguments to go along with your knee-jerk responses.

I wonder what You think are the reasons for the hatred?

Like I pointed out previously, how can someone question our desire for freedom and human rights when the Arab nation as a whole has "No rights, no freedom of expression, no loyal opposition, no rule of law, no redress except through violence, conspiracy, a coup, and ultimate civil war".
This article should explain it better: Read This

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[pickel]

"With a God they perceive to be admiringly urging
them on, bin Laden's associates have no self-restraint. They are limited only by their capabilities, which the U.S. has now decided it has no choice but to destroy."
The last sentence says it all. These people live in "Perceptions" and not reality. And for this reason alone they must be destroyed before thay can impliment all further havoc on the innocent.

[Fingers]

...and that statement refers to only those who believe in terrorism as a means of achieving their goal... it was not intended to include all Muslims....