PCI to be phased out

[madfish]

Hmm, does this mean the end of all PCI boards? what about all these older systems that will be around still in 2004 with PCI slots?
madfish

[doobiwan]

How long ago was ISA 'phased out'? You can still get boards with ISA today, although rare.

I'm more interested to see what the HyperTransport consortium is going to say about it.

[BobyJo]

I have read articals that state the majority of people that select the format of the future bus, has already selected AMD's Hypertransport. Intel is fuming over thier own bus system. Intel has released an article stating thier support out paces AMD's support by a large margine. The article also states this is definately going to be "WAR" between Intel and AMD.

[hallam2003]

might be time to buy stock in them, if you haven't already.

Hallam

[Wizzard~Of~Ozz]

Typical, Intel wants "Thier" bus in use, even though a more advanced bus (Hypertransport) will be released at the end of this year, with products later this year, early next. Oh well, WE'll see if 2 years advanced release will beat the new standard before it has a chance to come out.

[fireizkewl@netzero.net]

I really doubt pci is going anywhere as it is just now becoming mainstream for boards to have 64 bit/66mhz pci maybe the standard 32bit/33mhz pci as we know and love it today will go, but don't fear the 64/66 is compatable with all 32/33 cards, it does make sense to get out of the standard pci as we have now really outgrown it's bandwidth limitations

[griobhta]

They have been saying that for years. The history of computing is riddled with the 'next big thing' that turns out to be a flash in the pan. Still it is about time we got an upgrade but as doodiwan says don't hold your breath/or worry that your cards will become redundant anytime soon

[adl6009]

Check out the article at zd net. It looks like amd is going along with it. I was waiting for hypertransport to build my next system. That was supposed to be available this fall. But now its going to be sometime next year for this gio stuff. Let me know if I'm wrong, I hope I am, but I'm not waiting anymore. Whens that new 1.6 athlon coming out?

[camaro]

Only 6 times? By that time it won't do anything. We need something 50 times faster. 6 is nice NOW, but in a few years. I can't believe they are redoing the whole mobos for such a small change.

[ND]

PCI sends synchronized signals along numerous parallel wires, but 3GIO uses many fewer wires that can transfer data at higher speeds because signals don't have to be synchronized.

That's the keyword here. Few weeks ago I've already read extensive article on 3GIO, before PCI-SIG voted for it. In fact, something interesting was in it - in few years, PCI (and HyperTransport) will face situation when controllers won't be able anymore to handle and sinchronize the streams of data they recieve. I know, it sounds weird, but I'm not so experienced with physics to be able to tell you exactly what I read. 3GIO will be able to handle this situations, thus, it more advanced than HyperTransport.
So, no rivals here - HyperTransport will probably "rule" in next couple of years, then will be replaced by 3GIO.

Best Regards ...

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[elroy]

Don't believe everything that Intel puts out. Remember when they said the socket 7 architecture was not feasible beyond 233mhz? They wanted everyone to think the socket 7 was dead so when they purchased a new board they would buy a slot 1 and then be bound to Intel cpu's.

[vass0922]

nothign will become standard if none of the manufacturers build for it. They are the first people that will need to be pushed. Who will "subsidize" the co's to really get them off their **** and move to the new standard?

I imagine Vid card manufacturers will jump on it **** quick for the extra bandwidth but modems? nope... sound cards ... do they really push the limit now? scsi/udma cards?

I realize there's a million other cards out there, but the mainstream ones

[jmetz]

it seems that nobody remembers the MicroChannel Bus architecture and why it disappeared IBM wanted to be the Propritary system bus they charged healthy royalties to build systems based on the bus Some manufacturers joined them NEC NCR and some that are now gone and fogotten

Everyone else decided on the industry standard architcture ISA some went with the Enhanced version EISA and then the video people developed VLB as a standard

These battles between competing engineering standards eliminated a number of manufacturers and delayed quality porducts as much as 18 months

Will this happen again and who will pay for the mistakes that it causes when the peripherials must be locked to the cpu you end up buying we could be looking at computers that will again cost $2500 or more with out monitors

I guess that somebody just read the sales
prices for 1981 computers and wanted to get the prices back up again

I used to own a nextgen system and all I can say

Stupid just plain stupid

[the corrupted]

Call me stupid, but if there's more channels of data in the pci, then why switch to a method with fewer channels? It's the whole serial v. parallel issue all over again. Parallel won as far as the printing side goes, but serial has other uses as well. It all looks like intel is becoming too power hungry. They want the sort of dominance they had before they made the mistake of cutting other manufacturers out of their pie. The result is just a smaller pie, with smaller peices.

pci is never ging to completely die. It's had too much put into it. It might be expnaded to a 128bit system in the end, but then what, other than network servers and video cards, is it going to be much use for?

a 128bit scsi raid card would be nice. And that sort of bus would put a voodoo5 to shame with any chip.

[Perror]

Of course PCI is old and within a couple of years must be replaced, but Intel has its gang vid Gio..something and AMD with a lot other companys have their Hyper Transport- To different sytem to take over the need to fix a modern PCI bus, read about "THE BUS WAR": <A HREF="http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6675392.html.With" TARGET=_blank>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6675392.html.With</A> lots of links.
So lets hope one of these system will win rather soon for if not the pc/semiconductor industry will get another problem

[This message has been edited by Perror (edited 08-10-2001).]