V-22 Osprey Airplane, junk for over 30 years

[Richard_Cranium72]

I joined the USAF Civil Air Patrol in the mid 60's

Several times we searched for military airplane parts scattered by different crashes.

One of those was the V-22 Osprey, a tilt rotor plane capable of hovering and taking off like a helicopter then rotating the props forward for hi-speed cruise.

This plane has killed pilots/crew since 1968 that I KNOW of.

Today on the eve news with Dan Rather they commented that the technology has "gone too far too fast" BS !

This flop of a plane is probably a cover story for other "Black" projects.
A total failure and widow-maker..

Any military folks here have a comment ?

My 2 cents is to scrap this heap before it kills again,, they are grounded for now, hopefully forever.

DrVette

[kenyg]

I've always thought the Osprey was completly political... I seem to remember the military not wanting it at all. I think this poorly designed aircraft was forced on them.

I never had occasion to deal with one, only Huey's and later Blackhawks.

I think it was Eisenhower who said - (paraphrasing) 'watch out for the military-industrial complex'

[pickel]

Not to mention the Oil Companies and the Munitions manufacturers!!

[zskillz]

they look really cool though!
-Z

[alondra]

there is a lot of money involved in making this turkey. no way would I fly in an aircraft that would crash 100% if an engine quit

[Variable]

But aren't they going to get a similar troop transporter (I thought I read something like that on the PM website...)

[derek79602]

Here's the straight dope. My father-in-law is a supervisor at Bell Helicopter in Arlington, TX. This is straight from the horse's mouth.

Bell makes all the gear boxes and mechanicals for the V-22. Boeing makes the fuselage and puts the thing together. Most crashes are due to pilot error. The only mechanical failure to date involved a seal installed by boeing that failed and leaked hydraulic fluid into the intake for the engine. There is a very narrow window of approach speed to land these things, pilots come in too fast and kablooie. Also, the way this craft moves air is in such a way that if two Ospreys are within 300 yards of each other, an air vortex occurs, causing the air to spin at the same rate as the rotors, which robs the craft of crucial lift, causing rapid, destructive descent. The theory about the rotors being too short is flawed, as this is the first engineering task accomplished and re-hashed over and over again throughout development. I would remind you that this ship is EXPERIMENTAL. There are also gov't budget concerns and time tables imposing some limitations to the amount of de-bugging that takes place. Apparently human lives are expendable to the U.S. Government in non-war situations.

A little history, also....

The first aircraft of this type was built in 1954, a re-hashed bomber jsut to prove that it could work. Then two models called the VX-15 were built in the late 70's. Research and development for the V-22 began in 1985 with the first prototypes functional in 1991.

There are more dangerous things than experimental aircraft that the government does. Like putting mercury, one of the most toxic chemicals known to man, in disease vaccines intended for use in newborn babies.

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[Richard_Cranium72]

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----"Research and development for the V-22 began in 1985 with the first prototypes functional in 1991.--------


Sorry, I personally have picked up remains of the V-22 in 1968.

Be it "pre-release" information that was privy only to my group,, I dunno.

One crater was about 12' deep and 20' across.

I kept some fragments for several years before throwing them away..

Obviously something is wrong with the design.

Too many pilots have been killed in this aircraft for it to be just pilot error.

The report I saw said approx 45% of the V-22 crew at one location had been killed..

This is sorta like the SR-71, it was flying in 1958 but "official" sources claim 1962 or so as first flight..

DrVette

[skywalker[TSG]]

ive seen those things close up at an airshow

the plane looked wery unstable
just recently one crashed i think killing 8marines or something like that

its so wierd that the marine core wants this plane so bad even dough it really suckz

[alondra]

seems to me, they have spent a lot of money, and lives on a craft that is EXPERIMENTAL.

[Richard_Cranium72]

Records Falsified in V-22 Scandal
http://www.wfaa.com/wfaa/articledisp...,18927,00.html


Military Aircraft Discussion Board http://users3.cgiforme.com/javad/cfmboard1.html


No Fire Before Osprey Crash http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2..._20004123.html

The Marine Corps on Tuesday acknowledged 23 ``deficiencies'' in its MV-22 Osprey, http://www.helis.com/news/2000/v22d23.htm

Bell- Boeing want to ensure that the V-22 is produced and delivered at the lowest price possible http://www.helis.com/news/2000/v22costr.htm


Marine Corps Osprey Suffers Another Fatal Crash
http://www.helis.com/news/2000/v22cra2.htm

Tell us the number of men that must die before we conclude the V-22 is a mechanically unsound http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Qu...l2aircraft.htm


A lettter in pdf format that you might find interesting->> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jan2...119mv22ltr.pdf

The Marine Corps said last month the MV-22 that crashed in North Carolina suffered a "hydraulic malfunction http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1...7-412,00.shtml



The Plane That Nobody Wanted

Tuesday, April 11, 2000
The recent crash of the V-22 Osprey aircraft that killed 19 Marines should push lawmakers to finally terminate any further construction of the aircraft, contends Lawrence J. Korb in The New York Times opinion page. Instead, he recommends skipping a generation of new aircraft production to focus primarily on research and development, using the unspent money for upgrades in pay and conditions for military personnel.

http://www.speakout.com/Content/DailyBriefing/2553/