The commies down south

[Warthog]

hahaha , tantone. She always looked tall at those press conferences. ****....she's almost my height.*scary*

While we're on the subject, what's up with her arm? She has spasms frequently...

Warthog

[narayan]

he should be allowed to seek political asylum. BUT, he's not old enough to make decisions for himself.

He is allowed to seek asylum without consent of his parents or anyone else. That is the law. I will dare say that any 6 year-old can tell the difference between life in Cuba and life in America. When I was 6, I knew what places were no fun, like the grocery store, the doctor, the priccipals office (lol), and I knew where I liked to be, like home, a friend's place, the swimming pool. What I am getting at is that Elian knows that Cuba sucks. Castro is a murderer and a dictator. Elian's life is wasted in Cuba as a slave.

[jad1097]

Well Cuba may suck for you and I but maybe not for him.

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[narayan]

This should clear things up a bit...


UNGA Doc A/RES/44/25 (12 December 1989) with Annex

CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD *

The General Assembly,
...Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the
Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the inherent dignity and of
the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
...Recognizing that, in all countries in the world, there are children
living in exceptionally difficult conditions, and that such children need
special consideration,
Article 2

1. States Parties shall respect and ensure the rights set forth in the
present Convention to each child within their jurisdiction without
discrimination of any kind, irrespective of the child's or his or her
parent's or legal guardian's race, colour, sex, language, religion,
political or other opinion, national, ethnic or social origin, property,
disability, birth or other status.

2. States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to ensure that the
child is protected against all forms of discrimination or punishment on the
basis of the status, activities, expressed opinions, or beliefs of the
child's parents, legal guardians, or family members


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know that's a lot, but the entire document can be read at http://www.tufts.edu/departments/fle...exts/BH953.txt
here's another good one...82. Refugee-Escapee Act of September 11, 1957 (71 Statutes-at-Large 639)
f. Gave the Attorney General authority to admit certain aliens formerly excludable from the United States.

[bdunn]

I hope this case has other positive impacts. In many states NY included children end up in akward custody battles as a result fo divorce. The FEDs intervening on behalf of a father, who is not even an american citizen. should wake up state legislators. Maybe more states wwill become father friendly. I would hope the Government would do at least as much for a father who is an american citizen.

[OuTpaTienT]

Hey!!! That's a **** good observation. Our own governments (state, fed, whatever) won't do and don't do squat for fathers in cusody cases. Yet here they are breaking laws to help out this "father" (even though the kid has never lived with him.)

This is one bass-ackwards country we live in.

[brandon184]

Warthog.. She has Parkinson's Disease..

Exactly.. Everyone is born where they are born, and thats life. If this boy was born in Cuba, thats his luck and thats where he lives. If your born in Spain, thats your luck and thats where you live.

- Brandon

[OuTpaTienT]

That's such flawed logic I hesitate to even call it logic. I suppose anyone born in the slums or a ghetto should stay there cause that's where they live. Or anyone born in an impoverished nation should stay there. Or anyone born under the thumb of Communist China should stay there. Or maybe at the time you'd agree that anyone born under the iron fist of Nazi Germany or in Mussolini's Soviet Union should have to stay there too. You're messed up dude.

[brandon184]

What I'm saying is where they are born, that is probably where the will be raised.

Are you saying someone who is raised in the ghetto cannot become a successful person? Now that, sir, is discrimitive logic.

Where did I say thats where they SHOULD live?? And maybe that logic was not 100% correct, but, where do you get the idea that living in the USA is in the best interest of the boy?

- Brandon

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[akaBruno]

Just because the child wasn't born in your neighborhood, or because his father doesn't agree with you politically... does not give you the right to determine how or where he is raised.

The only laws broken in this case were those broken by the Miami relatives, that refused to turn the child over by court order. They turned the whole thing into a fiasco that should have never happened.

It serves no purpose to drag it out any further. It just seems that since the collapse of the Soviet Union, right wingers have no other soapbox (or leg) to stand on other than Cuba. Give it time and the Castro regime will fall of its own weight. The argument against Elian's return to Cuba only gives Castro credibility.

Bruno

BTW, Narayan and OutofHisMind:
I dont' even know why I waste my time w/ you guys... heheheh Just thought I'd beat ya to it this time. heheheh

[brandon184]

Oh, So you've met and talked to the boy?

I find it difficult to talk to narrowminded people, such as you, Outpatient.. (narayan's sidekick.)

- Brandon

P.S. - Maybe when I figure out the name for a forum section, I'll also expect people to bow down to me.

[narayan]

Good point, bdunn! Nobody seems to care about father's rights until this particular case. I hope now that the assistance offered by the Federal Gubmint can be expected by all fathers in a custody battle.

where do you get the idea that living in the USA is in the best interest of the boy?

BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CUBA


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[brandon184]

I'm still not fully clear on what happens to the father if the boy is ordered to be kept in the USA.

?
- Brandon

[Warthog]

Gets sent back to Cuba and his head chopped off for not doing his job.

Warthog

[ILC]

After thinking it through more thoroughly, I say he SHOULD stay in the U.S. Like Narayan said its Cuba! And whoever said that Elian is just a political figure. YUP! Nothing more, quite sad accutually.

Cuba is horrible, he WONT be with his father. Im just sick of tax payer dollars going on this stupid, nothing but political ****! Why dont we bring his father hear and drop the whole thing? Or how about we just DROP it? Oh wait, that would be to simple and save to many tax payer dollars.

Narayan and OuTPatient, good arguments, im with you all 100%

ILC