network: can't get it right

[kantspel]

I have:

first computer:
DECchip 21042 adapter that came with my cable modem setup.
9 port 10 base with uplink

second computer:
realtek 8139 adapter
50 feet of cat 5 cable

client for ms networks, file and print sharing, tcp\ip, and netbui in the network window.

have the modem in the uplink port and can use it fine with the first computer.

light on hub indicates a connection to the second computer but...

when I open network neighborhood I can only see the computer I'm am sitting at.

I checked the 50 foot cable by hooking it to the first computer and can use the modem thru the hub.

workgroup name is the same and have different names for the computers.

could it be hardware or something simple?

thankyou in advance

eric

[JW310]

Have you tried using it without the cable modem plugged into the uplink port on the hub? Do you have any crossover cables where there should be straight-through cables? Check to make sure the subnet mask for both computers is set right, and both are the same. For example, if your network uses IPs of 192.168.x.x, the subnet mask for both computers should be 255.255.255.0. It might be set differently due to using the cable modem.

JW

[Yoda]

Check your workgroup name. Both computers must have the same workgroup and different computer names. See Network/Properties/2nd or 3rd TAB

[kantspel]

thanks for the help.

I got the network to work but not sure how except the last thing I did was to disable the udma 66 ide controler in the bios because i wasn't using it and there was a conflict with my video card.

Go figure

My new problem is I am tryin out a new program called nshare that is to allow me to access my modem by both computers at the same time securely. haven't got it configured right yet.

but I am writing this from the client computer right now and as long as nobody starts up the base comp I'm all set.

woohoo
e.e.

[ktwebb]

Chances are very slim that your IDE controller had anything to do with it. You cannot use Network Neighborhood as a indicator of connectivity. Chances are that if you had hit refresh the other PC would have shown up. Using the ping command from a DOS box if you are using TCP/IP or doing a find computer for the other PC using its netbios name will tell you if your network is working properly. 98's master browser service works occasionally, but it should not be used to check you network.

[This message has been edited by ktwebb (edited 01-01-2000).]

[kantspel]

yeah, I was hitting refresh until my finger hurt. Been trying for a couple of days.

[BBA]

ktwebb...chances are the ide controller had a lot to do with it!

I/O resources show up by stopping NIC's from working properly, or stopping DMA mode from being available, or even in weirder ways! Sometimes disabling anything in bios will free resources and make things start working.

As for the hub, usually, the first port is shared with the uplink port, so you can use one or the other...plug the PC's into ports 2 thru 9 or whatever the highest one is.

[ktwebb]

Possible, but would be unusual. If the controller was causing a resource conflict, then no doubt it was the problem, but the IDE controller would be an unlikely candidate for a resource conflict.

[BBA]

And you base your "unusual" response on what experience?

I have seen resource problems cause more than a few "unusual" situations that were **** well, umm...almost...EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE.

It is not the controller per se that causes the conflict, but the overall sys configuration. He would have had the same result by disabling a serial port or usb port instead.

Just remember, Windows tries to share I/O resources, the only indications from this causing a problem is "something just dont work right" or "it just runs crappy" or "I cant get this to work"

Trust me when I say it, it is common!



[This message has been edited by BBA (edited 01-04-2000).]

[ktwebb]

You seem to be taking this personally. Don't. I am speaking from my experience. I see alot more resource conflicts with the soundcard, NIC, video, etc. I didn't say and IDE controller could not or would not cause a problem, only that, in my experience, it was uncommon, especially if the device manage was not showing a conflict.

[tlwhite76]

kantspel: I think you'd have better luck installing a 2nd NIC in your first computer then running that cable to your hub. Cable modem to your first computer. Most hubs won't support the uplink configuration you're intending. Usually that port is reserved for connectivity to another hub. BTW, I have been using those realtek cards in my home LAN for over a year and inexpensive as well. Good Luck.

[BBA]

ktwebb, I didn't realize it came across that harshly, sorry! Just haven't been myself lately, home sick all week with nothing to do kinda plays with one.

Anyway, I have seen more than a few problems like this, and seems that windows thinks it can share the resources so it doesn't flag them as a conflict, unless a critical system function cannot complete because of it. Something to keep an eye on...

Also, I have noticed an awful lot of successful irq sharing in late components ( I have 3 irq's shared to 4 devices each in my pc right now)...so progress is being made in that resource area.