.18 micron vs. .25 micron

[Nick]

will this effect all users? or just overclockers? is this a bad thing that intel is going to .18? or good?

confused,
nick

[Roy]

I think it will affect overclockers more than the others. It will use a lower voltage and run cooler. Raising the voltage to get more performance will be less of a thermal threat.

The main reason for 0.18 micron is increased speed. There will be a C466 that will go 525 and might do 581 with some luck.

So, it's a good thing.

[This message has been edited by Roy (edited 02-11-99).]

[Finless]

Yea. the .18 (coppermine) technology will be better. You have heard that overclocking may be bad due to electron matrial migration (something like that). Coppermine will have less of a problem with this because the process uses copper instead of aluminium.
HOWEVER........
I understand the intel will now not only lock the multiplier but also the buss speed. Overclocking will be HISTORY :-(

Bob

[spdsk8r]

If Intel starts putting blocks on the FBS and clock multipliers, it looks like AMD will come ahead, especially with the K7 (200Mhz. FSB). Big mistake for Intel... I can't believe they would do this!

[seti]

that will do virtully nothing for AMD...concidering that no one cares about locked speeds. But for the 3% of us that overclock...dammit!

[Roy]

I'm hearing that bus locking is too expensive and wastes CPU resources. If it were 3% it would not be worth impacting the broader market.

I think it's more like 0.03%. Now that's worth the bother!

Seriously, the multiplier lock is to thwart gray market re-markers. They don't deal in faster FSBs.

[Joel Kleppinger]

I think if Intel does it, it is definitely to get rid of the overclocking community. Probably they believe that they are losing a good deal of money thinking that those of us that would buy P2 400s or 450s are instead buying a little $70 Celeron 300A and overclocking it to kingdom come (450-504+). They are losing money there, and they probably feel that it's worth it to spend the money to stop it.

However, I think they may be losing money overall if they buy. People that wouldn't dream of just buying up CPUs are buying Celeron 300As like crazy... just for future use. When the days of the great CPU overclockers are gone, purchasing CPUs on a whim will go back where it came from.

Joel