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    Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
    The sad thing is that if there was actually anyone of any moral integrity and even better decent oposition parties in the UK if Bush goes to war he'd have been saying goodbye to his position as prime minister. Sadly politics is a farce in Britain, the torys are living in the 1800's still, the libs have been sat on the fence for so long its now halfway up theyr butts and Labour is not the socialist pary it once was, if anything its a central party. Blairs in a no lose situation here because he's simply screwing the ppl of Britain and can get away with it because the opposition dont know what month it is, we may as well be living in a dictatorship because as it is we have no realistic alternatives to Blairs middle of the road government.--Jakk
    Can you explain what point you are trying to make? Blair is bad and the liberals are dumb but right and great?
    I did not mean this as an attack, I just did not understand what you meant!

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    Originally posted by strat1
    ...So many people appear to be Anti War, but are Really Anti-American. ...
    I can't/won't argue about the rest of the post, no matter what my personal opinion might be! but IMHO, this is a pile of steaming cow dung. just because I don't agree with the a war does not mean I am "Anti-American". don't even try and lay that guilt trip at my door. . we don't need anybody creating animosity where there is none!

    gosh darn politicians are everywhere nowadays!

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    I mean basically that if it wasnt for Blair you would be going it alone, something IMO whihc would be much better in the longrun, because i dont want all of the middle east raining hell down on the UK thanks.

    To be realistic the US is alone, support from the UK is coming from tony alone, if this were to turn into a long and drawn out affair with conscription, the British army is in a state of decline to start with and i wouldnt expect much in the way of support from the British ppl if i were you. When it comes to it it seems only the US wants war, with such a large difference of opinion, i dare say theres some logic behind it

    My point was that if our political system wasnt such a farce you would have no official support from us anyhows, and blair would have gone the distance. As it is think yourself lucky that you at least have SOME degree of official support from a country somwhere, because under different circumstances you would be well and truly alone.

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    Originally posted by strat1


    Did you even listen last night or are you one of the people that allows the bias media tell you what you should think? Last night the President said “whatever Government the people of Iraq want”.
    And you really believe the US government would allow a fundamentlist islamic government to come to power? you really place too much trust in the government.


    Do you think we should give Saddam 12 more years to disarm- The UN is a joke? What is your answer?
    Lets just wait for things to get better? That worked with Korea and now they have nukes- thanks Clinton! With an attitude like that we will end up like France in no time!
    give him as long as it takes. he will die of natural causes by the time hes done disarming.



    “How do you parallel nazi Germany and the middle east?”

    Dictatorship that murders own people, Rules by force alone, Stays in power because he has the most weapons an uses them. Kills rapes, tortures innocent people. Has and uses Weapons of Mass Destruction. Invades neighboring countries. Lies to the world and his people. Is a threat to world peace… Is a threat to the USA
    Stop me when I am wrong!


    many other nations do this, so why is it only iraq we look at. and for the record a lot of what saddam has done has been enabled by the US support we gave to him.

    replace the Saddam with the USA and you have a fair estimation of how the rest of the world views us. you dont have a relative perspective on


    So many people appear to be Anti War, but are Really Anti-American. You should be raising hell about Saddam, not Pres Bush. Give him more time, give him more time, please he is really a nice guy. What if that was your mom and sisters that were raped by 50 Iraqi solders for no reason and your dad was tortured for days- that has happened to many people of Iraq.
    What should the UN do now what should we do? Nothing?
    thats it, im antiamerican. i love america because it grants me the free speech to speak out against things i dont believe are just and right. what does being american have to do with liking or disliking saddam? i have no control nor authority over him, but i do over the people in my country through my vote.

    if you want to call me anti american and walk the line of facism because i dont agree with you, so be it.

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    I think its basically another case of propoganda all around, the NSA/CIA/SAS/MI6 do a HELL OF A LOT of things which the majority of cirtizens would see as horrific, off the record. The US and UK both get their hands a bit dirty, if you get my drift, and we cannot claim at all to be perfect nations, we commit atrocities, we murder and torture, but we cover it up from our own people. Then we show our people others doing similar things with the expectancy they will be appalled and want a war with these so called 'agressors', IMO we could do with airing a few of our own dingy secrets before we go poking our noses elsewhere . Anyone who believes we live in the land of the good and just is taking the propoganda to readily, admittedly this is quite a nice place, but in some ways we are just as bad as Saddam and co.

    You have to look beyond what sky news, CNN and Whitehouse/Downing street press releases tell you

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    Originally posted by Strawbs
    I can't/won't argue about the rest of the post, no matter what my personal opinion might be! but IMHO, this is a pile of steaming cow dung. just because I don't agree with the a war does not mean I am "Anti-American". don't even try and lay that guilt trip at my door. . we don't need anybody creating animosity where there is none!gosh darn politicians are everywhere nowadays!
    Thats fine, but all I am looking for is why Saddam is the Hero and Bush is not--

    Were are the facts to support your claims, don't hide come on out and tell us WHY saddam is a hero in your eyes

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    Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
    IMO we could do with airing a few of our own dingy secrets before we go poking our noses elsewhere . Anyone who believes we live in the land of the good and just is taking the propoganda to readily, admittedly this is quite a nice place, but in some ways we are just as bad as Saddam and co.--Jakk
    So we should shove our head in the sand and let the world go by cause bad things happen. OK,

    What is the point of the UN then? Why have rules and laws?

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    Why not try to answer one question?

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    Originally posted by strat1


    Thats fine, but all I am looking for is why Saddam is the Hero and Bush is not--

    Were are the facts to support your claims, don't hide come on out and tell us WHY saddam is a hero in your eyes
    do you assume he thinks saddam is a hero because he disagrees with your rationale of people being antiamerican?

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    thats the first time thats happened

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    quote:
    do you assume he thinks saddam is a hero because he disagrees with your rationale of people being antiamerican?"

    No I don't, I am just trying to initiate a discussion based on the facts, not Opinions in and from the media?

    I may sound like a total prick, but I am not asking for much here- just what facts you base your opinion on.

    Saddam has had 12 years to disarm and he has not?
    The UN refuses to act
    France and Germany have Billions of dollars in trade agreements and loans with Iraq and if we destroy Iraq they will lose their $$
    Saddam Kills and Murders thousands of people.

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    saddam isnt a hero, and neither is bush. i just dont see saddam as a big issue and hes only come to the forefront because bush has forced him to.

    im antiwar but in no way does that make me pro saddam. this issue isnt black and white like youre trying to make it. or would you like to be like bush and be a uniter and then go and say "youre either with us or the terrorists"

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    Originally posted by mrt1212
    im antiwar but in no way does that make me pro saddam. this issue isnt black and white like youre trying to make it. or would you like to be like bush and be a uniter and then go and say "youre either with us or the terrorists"
    Ok, we are getting somewhere,
    So in your mind War is never necessary?

    Great, then we would be speaking one Language, worship one god. Half of us would be slaves and the other half would be the owners.


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    Fighting for freedom is as old as time- War is part of Humanity!

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    Originally posted by strat1


    Thats fine, but all I am looking for is why Saddam is the Hero and Bush is not--

    Were are the facts to support your claims, don't hide come on out and tell us WHY saddam is a hero in your eyes
    I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, on the contrary, You should be showing regret for the shamless labelling of anyone that does not agree with your opnion as "Anti-American". Do you know me? how many ppl on the Forum have you actually met? You do not know me or what I do here in England!

    if you care to read my post from the previous page and from last year, you will see that I have always been about the downfall of saddam. I never did call or even think him a "Hero". If the real truth be told at all here, I think he is Evil.

    As for Bush, I admit I don't like the guy, but whilst he's not making war with the world, he's your problem, so I couldn't give a fig! I only care about his decisions when they might affect me or mine. I much prefer Donald Rumsfeld, He is The man and would have been my choice for President

    I don't agree that bombing a nation in the hope of killing a certain couple of ppl is the right way to save these >
    What if that was your mom and sisters that were raped by 50 Iraqi solders for no reason and your dad was tortured for days- that has happened to many people of Iraq.
    < folk. do you honestly believe a war will help them? or is it more likely to do saddam's work for him and kill more innocents? innocents that want rid of him as much as the west does.

    IMO if you kill innocents then we will lose their trust and breed even more hate for the west and just as Israel can't seem to stop the suicide bombers, we will probably suffer the same fate, but on a larger scale.

    Yes "Peace-Nicks" can be useful! they can attempt to open the eyes of the "War-Hawks".


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