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  1. 11-02-2002 09:10 PM #1
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    R8500/R8500LE Compariston website.

    Know any good website that compares the specs and benchmarks for RADEON8500 and RADEON8500LE by variety model and brands.

    Just want to research for hell of it.

    Hell how about variety website that give good reviews and comparesion on variety video card.
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  2. 11-03-2002 09:01 AM #2
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    yo trick, why you so **** doofus?
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  3. 11-05-2002 12:07 AM #3
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    Was Spoken.
    And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
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    Originally posted by ND
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  5. 11-05-2002 06:06 AM #5
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    Originally posted by ND
    Was Spoken.
    by Plaster
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  6. 11-05-2002 10:20 AM #6
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    Very interesting reading and very truthful test, and totally neutral

    i like that, that goes for bookmark
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  7. 11-05-2002 11:53 AM #7
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    Was a good read! I personally like the original 8500 better yet!
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  8. 11-05-2002 05:07 PM #8
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    Many OEM sell original ATI cards. Most of the "full-clocked" cards are built by ATI, some change reference design, Hercules, for example.
    All ATI cards are built by PC-PARTNER, Sapphire cards, for example, are original ATI cards.
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  9. 11-05-2002 08:59 PM #9
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    "All ATI cards are built by PC-PARTNER, Sapphire cards, for example, are original ATI cards."

    Dont know about that. I just had a bad experience with newegg thinking the same as you. The sapphire card I got I have pics of and my real ati 8500. The dif. is there. The PB is the same the trace layouts too. But the caps are larger on the ati brand one then the sapphire. There is a rf choke on the real ati one by the high speed top qualtiy hynix 3.3ns ram at 550mhz towards back of card vs. no rf choke on the sapphire running hyundai 5.5ns 182mhz ram. Look at that! Were talking 364mh vs. 550mhz How can you even compare those two!!! Nope wouldnt recomend a sapphire to anyone and would never ever call it a original ati. THat card is slow junk and no ati by any means but powered by a ati chip and uses there pb deseign. Beyond that no garuntees the things mem is clocked so slow its stupid! Built by is just that, manufactured in the ati factory. Anywhere else and its a 3rd party card. Oem is a very loose term these days and doesnt mean its one or the other really. Alls it means to me is no retail box and no papers, no 3 year warrenty but one year if what they call white box oem! I found that when searching. This is a oem, white box deal, yet its ATI all the way. ATI tech. and ATI logo on the card no powered by logo anywheres. The sapphire was also oem but its not even close to the same. Will also add there are other components missing on the sapphire but the spots to solder them are there and so are the traces. One transistor is also smaller and weaker looking. Have pics of the parts I'm reffering two and both cards side by side. Will upload them then under new thread tonight.... Fact is if you want garunteed clock specs which are extreemly important to the speed of the card get a "Built by ATI" only. No other choice cept maybe gainward! Anyhow IMHO....
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  10. 11-05-2002 09:14 PM #10
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    You got fake Sapphire card. 5.5ns memory on R8500 ? Gimme a break ...

    My friend got Radeon 8500 275/275 by Sapphire, exact copy of reference card.
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  11. 11-05-2002 11:09 PM #11
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    Originally posted by ND
    You got fake Sapphire card. 5.5ns memory on R8500 ? Gimme a break ...

    My friend got Radeon 8500 275/275 by Sapphire, exact copy of reference card.
    fake?

    There must have been some kind of a mix up with the cards.


    With the original ati running at 550mhz and the oem at 350 the difference in the way they perform must be real big.

    Oem dealers may want try to cut down on cost and use cheap and slow ram like the 5.5ns.
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  12. 11-06-2002 04:29 PM #12
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    How is it fake? More like the newer one. Heres the scoop I got on it. The first ones that sapphire made were quality checked by ATI as they were trying to get into the ati partners program. ATi was still making 8500's full swing. 8500LE's are the only sold chips to other manufacturers not the 8500 original. Now they had to compete with ati's own offerings in order to get a piece of the $ pie. Now ati isnt making cards anymore but letting partners do it for them. After that first check ati doesnt qualtiy check anymore. After both these things happend, this is when sapphire went to 5.5ns ram on ALL there 8500LE's from here on out. If you got one thats 275/275 its one of the first made. Try again! Order one from newegg if you are sooo sure. I garuntee you its a crappy very slow sapphire with 364mhz mem not 550mhz! Yes it was a slow doggy card. And I knew there would be disbelief of the ram spec. Also the gpu isnt 275 anymore either but 250 at real le's specs. Sapphrie nor noone else dare make a real8500 non le as ATI holds the rights to the 8500gpu. Only the 8500Le are allowed to be sold to 3rd partys. A pic is worth a thousand words. Gonna have to get them off the digi and upload'em here for ya. Its the real deal, or a real crappy card I should say! I also wrote two review sites about this with all the pertinent info so they can revise their benches with the new crapo card. That way people arent gonna get burned. Also wrote ati about it too. They are gonna respond by the end of the week the email said. Wonder whats gonna happend or be said? Porb. nothing but I feel whenever Sapphire is mentioned I must bring up their shafty buisness methods and swapping of specs.

    "You got fake Sapphire card. 5.5ns memory on R8500 ? Gimme a break ..."

    What do you think I said... Thats why I was sooo pissed at newegg. I mean I orderd a real "built by ati" and they sent me a sapphire with those specs. I checked it with rage3d tweak! 250/182 thats awfull compared to my newcard 275/275 Built by ATI! If it would have atleast been clocked like a real ati I wouldnt have made all the fuss and kept it. But that card was unacceptable bearing the 8500LE name in my opinion!
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  13. 11-06-2002 07:23 PM #13
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    Oem dealers may want try to cut down on cost and use cheap and slow ram like the 5.5ns.


    That's why I don't like ATI, and especially its OEMs

    I want to get what I pay for.
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  14. 11-06-2002 10:50 PM #14
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    Originally posted by ND



    That's why I don't like ATI, and especially its OEMs

    I want to get what I pay for.


    No wonder nvidia is prefered over ATI.
    Nvidia sticks to a single clock speed. including its oem partners

    Nvidia dont make cards right?
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    Originally posted by sandeep




    No wonder nvidia is prefered over ATI.
    Nvidia sticks to a single clock speed. including its oem partners

    Nvidia dont make cards right?
    No, nvidia doesnt make cards, just the gpu's and the reference deseigns are even contracted out to other co's. VisionTek did the G3 series of reference cards. I think the real difference here is that Nvidia has better quality control over their 3rd party manufacurers. they keep a eye on them so to speak. ATI better learn how to do that if they are going full swing partner program only.
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