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Old 05-30-2004, 10:01 PM   #1
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Bridging the Engagement-Ring Divide

[Ed. This is an interesting article because of the differences on how men & women vary on different topics... like this one!]

May 30, 2004
Bridging the Engagement-Ring Divide
By JEFF OPDYKE
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


Amy and I got engaged in Los Angeles in 1991, when I surprised her by buying a diamond ring while shopping for something else, and then proposing to her on the spot.

The ring was small and terribly flawed. The cost: a bit more than $700 -- all the money I had.

Amy loved it, and still does today.

I bring this up because I have some friends who are in the midst of buying engagement rings, and they're tormented by the process. How much to spend? How big? What cut? What color? What clarity? Gold? Platinum? And the big one: Is it what she wants?

Some men think they have it a bit easier because their girlfriends have dictated the ring's minimum qualifications. Easier, perhaps, but equally distressing: Those qualifications often differ dramatically from the guys' original plans.


It all boils down to one of the bigger divides between men and women. At the risk of playing to stereotypes, I believe that to most guys, a ring embodies nothing more profound than his desire to share this life with this woman. And many men would like to express this desire in a relatively affordable way. But women see it a bit differently: They feel a diamond should also make a grand statement, a rock among pebbles that they can brazenly wave about in front of friends and family in some unspoken declaration: "This is how much he loves me."

The result is a serious disconnect that can leave both sides unhappy. Men are left feeling that they spent too much or that a simple act of love has been taken from their control. Women are left feeling that the expression of love they sought fell far short of what they were hoping for.

Is this any way to start happily ever after?

* * *
At the crux of engagement-ring angst is the theory -- perpetuated in part by a specious marketing ploy -- that the proper diamond should cost the equivalent of three months' salary. The expectation that only a well-heeled diamond is good enough to symbolize love instead symbolizes the chasm often separating men and women.

For instance, a friend of mine says that when her boyfriend asked if she expected a $10,000 ring one day, she didn't have the heart to tell him, "No, silly boy, I expect one that's $25,000."

Her boyfriend sees engagement rings as many guys do: "Some women," he says, "are under the mistaken notion that diamonds and jewelry are good investments, like stocks and real estate." In reality, "they're more like time shares: bought in the heat of the moment with lots of emotion and promises, and instantly worth substantially less than you paid for it."

Nor, I would argue, is size commensurate with love. If that were the case, the folks who drop tens of thousands of dollars on a flawless hunk of crystallized carbon would never face divorce.

So if an engagement ring isn't an investment and doesn't measure love, why should size matter?

In talking to a number of female friends, many women battle a great deal of internal turmoil when it comes to that question -- tugged on one side by cultural conventions and ego and on the other by a desire to relieve the cost pressures on the men they love.

Clearly, some women are swayed by the latter. Susan, a friend in San Francisco, says that when she got married, her fiancé "was living hand-to-mouth in grad school, and it seemed deeply, deeply unfair to make him buy some expensive diamond." To her, he seemed tortured: "He wanted to get me something big that he thought I wanted, and I was stressed because I didn't want him to feel he had to do that."

So ingrained is this notion that marriage must be paired with a grand diamond that Susan says her family kept asking, "'Where's the hardware?' They didn't believe he was going to marry me because he didn't buy some big diamond." In the end, Susan and her fiancé opted for a smaller, less expensive sapphire that means just as much.

Still, for many women, a pricey diamond remains the price of admission. Dee Anna, another San Francisco friend, says that while inexpensive diamonds are fine when you marry young and are just starting out in life, the calculus changes with age. She's 35 and getting married later this year for the first time. "When you're in a better financial situation and earning a good salary and sitting on a lot of cash you've saved, then it says something if you don't want to spend up to buy a nice diamond," she says. Dee Anna, after much negotiation with her fiancé who wanted to spend less, has $25,000 worth of nice diamond.

The wife of a colleague of mine puts it more bluntly. Her rule: "Over 30, over a carat."

What is it, though, guys like me wonder, that makes women think that costlier is better in the context of marriage?

"Bragging rights," says my friend Alex, who married 17 years ago when her husband was a public servant. He bought her a small, affordable diamond that, Alex says, "was lovely." In recent years, though, she upgraded the diamond because "even though you don't gauge love through material things, as a woman, a nice diamond is your way of telling the world you're loved." (This issue of upgrading a diamond is a subject I'll return to in a future column.)

* * *
I'm going to go out on a limb here -- and no doubt incur the wrath of many. But to me, presenting an engagement ring is the height of romantic gestures, and I don't believe women should play much of a role in its purchase. Other than announcing a preference on metal or a stone's cut, they shouldn't dictate its precise design. And they certainly should not mandate its expected value.

An engagement ring represents a guy's commitment to the woman in his life, not his commitment to make her ring finger stand apart amid her friends and family. The value of the ring is in its sentiment, represented by the effort a man puts into its selection, not the dollars he puts into its acquisition.

I know, women fear that men are clueless when it comes to selection. Some of us are. But my friend Debra sums it up pretty well: "If he knows you, he knows what you like. And if he doesn't, he's smart enough to talk to your friends about what you like. Give him a chance; guys aren't totally dumb."

For all my friends now hunting for engagement rings, I offer this: Be romantic and act alone. Don't worry about bragging rights, and feel free to ignore the supposed conventional wisdom on what a ring should cost.

It should cost what you can afford. No more. No less.

http://sacbee.wsj.com/articles/SB108...683724605.html
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Old 05-30-2004, 10:58 PM   #2
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over 30 over the hill , why pay for something you dont get in its prime 18, if relationships are so mercenary, who needs them! especially with some old maid, with god knows how many miles on the clock.

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Old 05-30-2004, 11:13 PM   #3
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If you worry about impressing women, you'll end up with one that nothing is good enough for. If love comes into it then it wont be important. I was completely shocked by amount of effort to go into to impress 'friends and family' if they are more important to a woman who tells you she is going to spend the rest of her life with you, then get a pre nuptual clause in any contract you make with her, after 20 years with a gold band, and she's still there, well then spend the money on her, not before. how much is she spending on a ring for you?
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Old 05-30-2004, 11:18 PM   #4
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Do you need a better reason for marrying someone you like rather than someone you love.
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Old 05-31-2004, 07:57 AM   #5
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I think as a society we have been encouraged to see the engagement ring as something more than a simple token. More as if its an indication of what is to come.
The tradition began in 1477 by Archduke Maximillian of Austria gave his intended, Mary of Burgandy, a gold ring set with a diamond.
The origin of wearing the engagement ring on the third finger of the left hand is rooted in the Egyptian belief that the "vena amoris," or vein of love, runs from the heart to the top of this finger.
Now around 70% of brides receive an engagement ring and there is the common view that it should represent 2-3 months of the groom's salary.

In my view, the giving of an expensive yet useless item is utterly pointless and wasteful. Far better to put that 2-3 months worth of salary towards the deposit for a home or something else of a practical nature like the wedding reception.

However, it seems that brides today won't accept that and 'desperatley need' an impractical band of soft metal embeded with a small piece of compressed carbon that is about as useful as the wit of Margaret Thatcher.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:08 PM   #6
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Nice overview Zybch.

Personally, I understand the purpose of engagement but i've never understood it's value nor the value placed on the ring itself... Too many people put far too much value on the appearance of their relationship and the value of their love and insist on romantizing the materialistic bull. People need to learn to be happy with themselves, happy with eachother and do right by that. If someone needs a $25k ring on their finger to feel "happy" or "loved" then I would question their motivation for commitment.
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:25 PM   #7
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However, it seems that brides today won't accept that and 'desperatley need' an impractical band of soft metal embeded with a small piece of compressed carbon that is about as useful as the wit of Margaret Thatcher.
You old romantic - you!
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:29 PM   #8
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Am I the only one here who thinks the only place for a woman is barefoot and pregnant?
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:32 PM   #9
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get those scales from your eyes boy's no wonder they have to teach some of us to take control of our masculinity, by banging a drum in a forest and howling at the moon.
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Old 05-31-2004, 08:55 PM   #10
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Thats just for sad middle aged types who suddenly realise that they aren't 18 any more.
Most guys can cope with the diminishing value placed of being masculine without too much hassle, many women though, can't cope with not being able to show off a completely useless engagement ring to their clucky friends as if the value of the item is an indication of how long and good their marriages will be.

With 70% of women receiving wedding rings, you'd expect the divorce rate to be wayyy lower if the ring was as important as we are told it is.
50% of marriages will end in divorce within 15 years (most ocurring within 7) LINK, this high rate demonstrates that as a society we place far more emphasis on mundane posessions (rings) than on the institution of marriage.
With percentages like these, its hard to see the anti-gay-marriage rednecks justify their position by saying that these unions will cause the institution of marriage to be cheapened
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Old 06-01-2004, 04:30 AM   #11
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I remember finding her a ring I thought was nice and buying it. She said she loved it. Then you find out they're really not worth much more than limestone. Guess I'll have to express my love on our 25th....maybe say with a new motorcycle.
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if men don't like s-u-p-e-r-f-i-c-i-a-l women then why on earth do they choose to marry them?



no need to answer really

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yes you do, because I'm totally baffled by it, and someone needs to explain to us in words of less than 3 syllables, and it's not because of there looks believe me it's not just women who are pretty by the medias standards that are superficial, I guess that a lot of men dont realise that women are the same as they are, and should be treated as intelligent human beings not as things to be put on pedestals.
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no need to answer really
Oh yes there is! Quite often they don't become s-u-p-e-r-f-i-c-i-a-l until after they are married. I'm surprised you didn't know this.

Old Irish saying - Many's the man chased the woman until she caught him.
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baffled by what?

the superficiality and lack of human values of the modern world?

one word, less than 3 syllable : non-sense!
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