AMD vs. Intel

PhoenixFire · 05-02-2003, 01:01 PM

Hi, I've been recently shopping around to build another PC - but I've been bombarded by two points of views from two friends one suggesting I go with my original pick of an AMD 2800+, the other suggests an P4 2.66B. I've been reading reviews and info. about both these cpu's (I currently have an AMD T-Bird 1.2GhZ), and am kinda confused how AMD is comparing to a P4 when it has a lower FSB and clock speed.

For example this good review of the chips on the following site:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...p_2800-13.html

states in the conclusion the following:
"In the short term, the modified Athlon XP with the Barton core (512 KB L2 Cache) will ensure a further performance boost for the gradually aging Socket A platform. Nevertheless, the performance of Dual-Channel DDR333 is convincing because it brings system performance up to the level of a top P4 model with Dual RDRAM (PC1066)."

Now, I'm not sure is RDRAM really worth it? I don't want to shell out that much money for memory, I'd rather go Dual-DDR wither with AMD or P4.

I'm hoping for any input or suggestions from SysOpt.

Thanx.

JCB · 05-02-2003, 01:20 PM

RDRAM is on it's way out. It took intel a while to admit it, but they finally went w/ DDR too. So, what does that tell you?

I'm AMD all the way. It's the only competition that intel has and therefore the only reason intel has to keep prices down.

And another point... I don't trust anything from tomsintelware. He may give AMD credit once in a while but, he's strictly an intel troll.

AllGamer · 05-02-2003, 01:35 PM

Forget what they say

Stay with AMD, and XP 2800+ is a Good choice

in comparison vs Intel

AMD 2800 = Intel 2.8 Ghz

as simple as that

Metal_militia01 · 05-02-2003, 05:48 PM

last time i checked, didnt the p4 2.8 kill the 2800+?(correct me if im wrong, im not trying to start a flame war)

Remember how well intel cpus o/c.
The 2.4C has hit 3.4 quite a few times(i havent heared of anytime it hasnt either)
my 2.4 hits 3.06 at 1.6v.
sl6rz 2.4s hit 3.4+ on DEFAULT(what ppl have said on oc-forums) vcore and some hit 3.6 and up

and, intel just put out a the 865 and 875(no real difference, 875 just has ecc support and costs alot more)
The boards will have 800fsb support,(as if 533 wasnt enough, and w/ my o/c, i have a fsb of 668)
dual ddr400,(6.4 GIGS of bandwidth on a stock proc speed) o/c and u can hit some ungodly speed

amd makes very good processors also, i really like the bartons.
I just like how intel cpus o/c so well.

JCB · 05-02-2003, 05:52 PM

intels oc well because they need an extra 600 mhz to come close to an AMD.

Pound for pound AMD is the overwhelming favorite.

BTW, AMD's overclock quite well also.

AllGamer · 05-02-2003, 06:04 PM

For OC yes Intel is some what better, due its BUS

but i was refering to STOCK speed, no OC ing

bushmaster · 05-02-2003, 06:05 PM

Yes the P4 2.8 did bench out better than the XP2800+. And with DCDDR theres no room for comparison with the 655 or i875P.

Bigjakkstaffa · 05-02-2003, 06:18 PM

Quote:

but i was refering to STOCK speed, no OC ing

Even so with certain tbred B Athlons you could just about stomp the equivalent Intel processor. e.g. XP2400+ are known to hit 3200+ speeds.

Personally though i see both as having their plusses and in general they even each other out. Intel beats AMD here, AMD beats Intel there. If your a gamer though i would go AMD, overall you'll prolly spend less on the CPU and board than if it were a pentium, money which can then be spent on gamer critical parts such as a faster video card

Btw if your into overclocking you would probably be better off going with an XP2100/2400+ Tbred B as opposed to the 2800+ Barton

--Jakk

AllGamer · 05-02-2003, 06:30 PM

uohhhh... hold your horses...

i'm not sideing with Intel, i'm just saying that AMD is more Efficient, and Wallet friendly than Intel

just look at it, AMD still hasn't showed its full potential yet, and is already so fast, if AMD were as scaretty cat as Intel, and upped to the 600+ BUS bandwagon, then Intel will have no place to hide

JCB · 05-02-2003, 06:43 PM

THE Bigjakkstaffa is right about the vid card. If you want to game IT is the most critical factor. Even if you have a **** cpu... w/ a kickass vid card you can shmoke em. And it has nothing to do w/ AMD vs. intel horsepower. But, AMD does offer real horses for less dollars.

IMO the reason to buy AMD is moral issue rooting for the underdog. They are the reason that so many of us can afford kickass systems. If intel were the only option we'd all be running 1G celerons.

bushmaster · 05-02-2003, 07:56 PM

The days of more bang for the buck have really come to an end when trying to compare AMD vs. Intel.
In most benchmarks AMD's flagship XP processor XP3000+ scores below a P4 2.8 and in some cases the P4 2.53. And I know that both of those P4's cost less than the XP3000+.
The only hardware you can argue about are the motherboards for Intel costing more than mobo's for AMD's. Thats it !, everything else is what it is and is used by both AMD and Intel, ie; memory, vid cards, sound cards, HDD's burners, all the same.
Granted a brand new MSI i875P Neo FIS2R is $197 at newegg, whereas the MSI K7N2 Dleta ILSR goes for $135 (and they are in stock now), Which board is compatible with more memory types ?. which board can take much better advantage of DCDDR. Now we are at apples and oranges. Two different creatures alltogether.

AMD vs. Intel ?. I know what I'm building next, heres a hint 6.4GB/S Memory Bandwidth. say goodnight Grace.

Metal_militia01 · 05-02-2003, 09:05 PM

bushmaster,

the 865s should be much less than the 875s. the 845pes are very cheap, my albatron is 80bux and is an o/c king. if u run ur memory high, ur lookin at like 3500 levels(433). You can get 2.4s up to (omg) 3.6 on this board(hell almost any 845pe board).

cyber_gubat · 05-03-2003, 01:06 AM

as long as you think your rig is not outdated. stick to it... im also an intel user, and comparing it to AMD it's worth it... BTW AMD is great since the competition started P4 prices decreased....

i don't meant to cause flame.......

iceblue · 05-03-2003, 04:31 AM

its kinda like an american vs euro muscle comparison-
intel is the typical euro with good engineering along with speed
amd is the american car with performance put first

tommie b · 05-05-2003, 06:14 PM

i have one of each so im not bios....it seems no matter what you build ,it will be out dated in 3 mo. it seems like just yesterday i dropped a pile of $$$ into my 3.06 system, then came the 875 800 fsb....i like intel but my xp2400 runs very smooth too.
its kinda like ive read" the numbers show intel to be faster but the amd's feel faster" doesnt make sense but thats it.

tommie j