Restart Problems

[AQR8]

Have a Asus A7V133 mobo with a 1 ghz T-bird. Recently put in a new case, formatted and reloaded win98SE. Flashed BIOS and loaded all new drivers. Started by loading 4in1 drivers etc. Only change to the envioronment was replacing old sound card with new Creative SB Live 5.1 which went in last. Now giving problems with restart. Strange thing is it seems to be everyother time...one time will restart and the next time it hangs and freezes. I reformatted and did the full reload again and it does the same thing. All else seems fine, no conflicts noted etc. Any suggestions would be appreciated. :confused:

[Alex Iannuzzi]

Maybe you can download the Microsoft Windows 98 SE Shutdown Patch, maybe that can fix it?

[userserver]

If you start up and shut down immediately, without running applications, will it always shutdown?

If you start up and shut down after 10-15 minutes, without running applications, will it always shutdown?

[AQR8]

Alex - I thought about the shutdown patch but wanted to see if there was other ideas first.

Userserver - the time running doesn't seem to affect it. It's not shown a problem with a normal shutdown, only when attempting to do a restart. When it does have a problem, click restart and windows closes everything and just when it should start to recycle through it hangs, monitor goes to sleep and system just hangs...have to physically hit reset button and then it will go through process fine. It seems to do it "everyother time."

Very strange...

[Shent]

Try the patch.
Anybody got a link by the way. Cheers.;)

[Alex Iannuzzi]

The Windows 98 SE Shutdown Patch is below
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/wurecommended/s_wufeatured/win98se/


:)

[owaggoner]

I have a pcchips 748mrl slot one. that won't reboot on its own.. I got to shut it down for a few minnuts and turn it back on for it to load windows 98se back up.. Now it also has another problem,, It comes up with a flopy drive error everytime it is booted up or turned on.. I've been all threw bios looking for whats wrong everything is set by the book.. Everything else works fine but these two things..Can the problem be in the bios chip?? Many Thanks:confused:

[MasterDecker]

Ok I used to have a sblive 5.1, and had to download and install the latest drivers for the sound card to get it to boot fine. It would seem that Win 98SE does NOT like the SB Live 5.1 series sound cards. Although NOW I am using a SB Audigy Platinum, on a dual boot system of Win 98SE, and Win 2k pro. As the new sound card shipped with the problem fixed in the sound card configuration, I had no problems when I installed the card, and my hard shut downs, and restarts had been fixed.

MasterDecker

[owaggoner]

Hey,
I thought of that, and I fdisk'ed the hard drive and done a format and than installed windows 95 to see if that would change anything but still had the same problem on everytime windows 95 would reboot when installing, I would need to shut down the computer to get it restarted to loading windows 95 to finnish them up.:confused:

[Shent]

Originally posted by Alex Iannuzzi
The Windows 98 SE Shutdown Patch is below
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/contents/wurecommended/s_wufeatured/win98se/


:)

Thanks for that m8.

[owaggoner]

Sorry windows98 se update doesn't help on this problem,, When windows shuts down and goes to reboot it won't come on screen and show the steps its going threw..Just a plain black screen is all you get untill you shut it down and restart it again. It'll work fine if you do that..
Many thanks,,:(

[frank5]

What happens if you take the sound card out . Does the problem go away?
If so, you probably do have a conflict, maybe irq? If taking the card out fixes the problem, then try the card in different pci slots.
Also disable your com ports to free up some resources.
(This is for aqr8)

[owaggoner]

Pcchips 748lmr has on board sound, video, and modem.. All of those work fine,, Its just the rebooting thats crazy,, If you're in windows and you install a progam and it needs to reboot, It'll go down and will not come back to windows untill you shut the power off and turn it back on,,, It'll load windows fine untill its needs to restart again.
Many Thanks,:confused:
:confused:

[userserver]

Let me verify something here.

1. If you go START, SHUTDOWN, and select SHUTDOWN, the system will always shutdown.

2. If you go START, SHUTDOWN, and select RESTART, the system hangs. (Is this always true?)

3. If software requests that you RESTART your system, and you agree, the system always hangs.

[owaggoner]

True on all three..:)
It'll go part way on the reboot to where the screen goes black and the monitor light goes from green to yellow..It won't go on to green to load the windows back up.. It hangs at that point.
Many Thanks,:)

[userserver]

Your basic issue is unsuccessful warm starts vs successful cold starts.

A warm boot restarts the computer through the INT19h ROM BIOS routine. This warm-boot procedure usually does not go through the complete boot process--a warm-boot skips the POST and frequently fails to reset all adapters in the computer's adapter slots.

If you have a TSR that intercepts the INT 19h call, a warm-reboot will fail--a cold-boot does not utilize INT 19h.

Can you post the tasks that are running, then attempt a warm-reboot to make sure the task list is related to the restart issue?

It usually annoys me when people suggest an issue might be virus in origin (especially since it is usually the first thing suggested, without any real troubleshooting), but depending on what tasks are running, a memory resident virus might also be a possibility.

[MasterDecker]

Well to some extent it sounds like a driver hang. I see that you have onboard vid/sound/andmodem, have you installed ANY other peripheral, such as the 3 onboards? if so, perhaps your bios, and your windows aren't communicateing anough about which ones to use. It could possibly be that your going to need to do a reinstall of your win98se, over your existing one to try to fix the problem that way. IF you have installed additonal peripherals, then it is possibly an irq problem. BUT I am ALMOST willing to bet thatyour power supply is starting go head south on you, and is not putting out enough juice, during the reboot process, and needs to be kicked in the ribs once or twice to get it's head back on track. If that is a possibility, then go and get yourself a new power supply, preferably one that is around or over 350 watts. that'll certainly keep the juice going for anything thatyou have, and could add to the system. OH...and a new thought.

You installed win95 first, THEN overlayed that with win98se right? Is it the "update to" windows 98 disk, or is it the full out thing? if it's the update to 98se from 95, then theere is a GOOD probability that there was an erronious error that happened when you went from 95 to 98. I've seen that only a few times before, and had to reformat, install from a fullversion, and poof the thing worked like it was supposedly supposed to. I still don't trust windows. Well there's some candy for you to chew on for a while.

MasterDecker

[AQR8]

Frank5 - I'm running the sound card in the same slot it was alway in. I believe the problem existed before I upgraded to the sb live 5.1 but not certain. I'll put the old card back in (orig slot) and see what it does.

If it's the sb live 5.1 - I'll check to see if there is a newer driver available. If problem still persists I'll try different slots. I don't believe resources are an issue.

AQR8