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BBA
06-27-1999, 05:29 PM
I feel really bad for all you who had some bad "software" or "driver" crash your windows and cause you to do a reformat! ( socalgal) http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

There is a much easier way to deal with this type of occurrance. I have not reformatted my drive in a year at least, and I routinely crash windows trying new ****, sometimes on purpose.

They are a few simple steps to take, and print this so you have it!

1. Make a good boot disk, but not from control panels add/remove programs startup disk applet! Start with a good quality brand floppy, right click it from windows explorer and select format with system files. Now you need basic stuff (only) added, config.sys with a device=himem.sys line (only that line, unless you want to add cd drivers) and copy the files: HIMEM.SYS, EDIT.COM, DELTREE.EXE, ATTRIB.EXE, MSCDEX.EXE, SYS.COM, SMARTDRV.EXE and SCANDISK.EXE.

Also copy your cdrom driver file to it.

Here is my Config.SYS file contents:

DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=A:\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:MTMIDE01


Thats it, nothing else is needed. (you may have a different cdrom device driver, this one (MTMCDAI.SYS) is from Mitsumi.)

2. AUTOEXEC.BAT, this needs to be simple as well, all you need is nothing, but I use the cd driver and smartdrive lines. Here is the whole AUTOEXEC.BAT content:

path=a:\;a:\command.com
a:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MTMIDE01 /M:10
smartdrv /v


This loads the cd drivers andruns smartdrive for disk caching (Improves read/write speed)


3. This is the good part!

First, if your Windows is non functional, do this:

a. Boot with the custom disk

b. type " c: " this puts you into the root of the c drive.

c. type " REN WINDOWS WINOLD " this renames windows so the install will use the name Windows again.

d. type " ATTRIB +H +R WINOLD " this sets the hidden read only attrubute to the old windows directory so that the new install of Windows wont try to migrate to it.

e. {OPTIONAL STEP} type " DELTREE /y PROGRA~1.* " this deletes the program files directory (which is where a lot of bad software code may be located)

f. type " DELTREE /Y WINI*.* " this deletes any left over windows install files.

g. type "DELTREE /y WIN386.SWP to remove the swap file ( sometimes windows locates this on the C:\ root directory)

h. Do the new installation of windows and import your mail and address book info from your old windows directory when done, so you dont lose your stuff. You can also copy over your desktop folder from the old directory to the new windows directory to restore your icons.

Reinstall only those programs that will not work at this point as most software will still work from the executibles or shortcuts, remember, the less you install, the happier windows is!

Now delete the WINOLD directory... ALL DONE! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif


I also do a few more things to make windows recovery easy.

1. Once I get my Windows install up with all the device drivers loaded, I make a new folder on the " C:\ " drive and call it " WINBACK "

2. I open Windows explorer, click on "VIEW" select folder options, click on show all files and unclick hide file extensions for known types it the view tab.

3. I open the "WINDOWS" folder and select all items except for win386.swp ( you cant copy this, and you dont need to either ). Then I right click the whole selection of items and select " copy ", I paste it to the new " WINBACK " folder.
This makes a good back up copy of a fresh windows installation.

4. If I ever have any problems after this, I boot from the boot disk, type " c: " to get to the " c: " root drive again, then I type " REN WINDOWS WINOLD " and press enter, then I type " REN WINBACK WINDOWS ", press enter and reboot to a fresh windows installation in less than 5 minutes, with all drivers working!

Neat trick, huh? http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

BBA


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[This message has been edited by BBA (edited 07-05-99).]

CMonster
06-27-1999, 06:25 PM
Now he tells me...

I have copied thjat for reading when I hasve had less beer....

Well, previously I have just kept a Winold folder and copied it into Windows after booting from a boot disk - if that don't work I take the backup drive off the closet shelf and do a clone...but gotta remember to keep that backup up to date...

and the moral of the story is BACKUP..BACKup...backup!

socalgal
06-27-1999, 07:27 PM
NOW you tell me... LOL JK.

I am printing it now, and putting it into my Doomed file. I hope I don't need it for a long time! I sure could've used that "good part" and wish I had it Friday night. (see how I spend my weekends? http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif)

Not only did I learn alot about computers in the past two weeks, but about myself also (how I handle stress, frustration, disappointment, anger, dashed hope and patience.. lol, I surprised myself even)

I think I'll make ONE more (haha) trip to Fry's this week and get another hdd just for backups.

Thanks for taking the trouble to post that BBA.. you are simply mahvelous dahling http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

~~edit. I thought you said you formatted once a month... heheh http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

CMonster~~ you saved me again, luv.

p.s. My badboy "Sirius" is now all systems go, no problems, very fast... I am a happy camper..for now. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif



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magk9
06-27-1999, 08:42 PM
Here's another great way to save from formatting, just download Winrescue 98 (or 95 for 95 users) It keeps a complete system backup on the harddrive, and if you can't boot to windows, it can be restored thru' DOS.....you can keep as many backups as you want, and it has saved me 3 times!! Get it anywhere there are downloads....it's free.

Gentle Giant
06-27-1999, 09:16 PM
I use two programs;
PowerQuest Drive Image Pro 3.0
PowerQuest Data Keeper 3.0.
I made an Image of an istallation that has all the programs I use and latest drivers etc. PowerQuest Data Keeper makes a copy of mail, ini files for various programs-about 40 megs of things that need updating. If disaster strikes it takes about45 minutes
to format and be back to where I was before the event. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

socalgal
06-27-1999, 09:39 PM
Cool, thanks! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Zonker
06-27-1999, 11:03 PM
Gentle Giant

I use Drive Image now instead of my quarterly Windows OS rebuild. Set the system up once from scratch and made an Image.

Now I just back it up before every major system change.

In the event of failure, it takes about 30 minutes to rebuild a hard drive from scratch with my complete system, rather than the weekend long trek of

format c: /s

and reinstalling everything.....
never again! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Gentle Giant
06-28-1999, 09:24 AM
The only thing I miss using Drive Image is the trials and tribulations of
getting all your hardware setup and working.
Boy, the things that can go wrong.

hai
06-28-1999, 02:51 PM
I didn't get it, what's the advantage of your method comparing mine which just deltree /windows then do a full reinstation?

Gentle Giant
06-28-1999, 04:58 PM
I wasnt doing any comparisons. BBA started the thread with a great plan for those with a massive systems failure. We've realy corrupted it with our introduction of 'Disc Image'.
But to your (?):
It takes many hours to install all the programs I use,as well getting all the hardware stuff installed - it's all done in 30-45 minutes from a fully setup, problem free "Image'.

BBA
06-28-1999, 10:34 PM
Actually, if you dont delete the windows installation you get two benefits:

1. It takes about 30minutes to deltree a standard windows installation, my method will have the system up and running in less than 5 minutes if you have a backup "Winback" ( of course it wastes about 150M disk space just sitting there) and in 45 minutes alone if you have to do the install.

2. If you still have the old windows directory after windows is reinstalled, you have all the personnel/ customization data to import or copy back into it, and if you have the "Winback" you already have all hardware setup when you boot on the fresh windows recovery.

It really makes life a lot easier if you experiment with programs a lot.

BBA

socalgal
06-29-1999, 12:18 AM
BBA ~ I just made a WINBACK folder.

Thank you so much for this info - for me, it's priceless!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

~~EDIT: I'll check out the WinRescue also. Knowing myself, I could use the extra insurance.


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jadinolf
06-29-1999, 02:13 AM
For those who care, Win Rescue is at http://www.superwin.com/

hai
06-29-1999, 10:25 AM
I guess the reason why you need 30 minutes to deltree windows is because you deltree under dos and don't use smartdrv. :PPP Since you deltree progra~1 as well, it is apparently all programs need to be reinstall. Admittly, winrescue should be a better solution if you can afford 150MB hd space. In the meantime, I only deltree /windows with smartdrv on, leave progra~1, then do a full reinstallation. Yes, I backup all icons under /windows/desktop and hostlist and put them back, many icons still work, I only reinstall those programs no longer work. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

nimrod
06-29-1999, 07:14 PM
yeah great idea BBA. Like it a lot . Now why didnt i think of that ???

dawgtuff
06-29-1999, 08:12 PM
I guess I'm a lucky one in that my system hasn't crashed.Unlike ya'll,I don't use it for experimentation(no cut intended).However,after 15 months it's getting to the point where I'll have to clean things up,and it's great to know I won't have to format the whole dang thing!
Thanks BBA and everyone.....DawgTuff.

jad1097
05-23-2002, 01:25 PM
^BUMP^


lol

Mafiosy
05-23-2002, 05:08 PM
Doh!!! I thought u have to use a sleigehammer in order to reinstall windows. :rolleyes:

Maf.

NDD
05-23-2002, 08:08 PM
LOL jad1097 :D

Wonder what made you to ^bump^ this one ... glad to see some old names however :)

jad1097
05-24-2002, 07:58 AM
It was something I came across that I thought was useful. Many answers most people are looking for can be found here if you search for them. ;)

RayH
05-24-2002, 08:31 AM
I'm presently using Drive Image 2002. It's more intuitive and easier to use than Ghost.

I make an image before I install anything, especially MS Updates and other things that may be difficult to extracte. If I don't like something, I don't have to uninstall. I just restore. I don't have a complicated program situation, so it's faster.

I used to be able to load Windows in my sleep. I used to catnap or take a shower or some such. I've almost forgotten how to load it.

With Drive Image, I use my computer differently. You can use a swap drive system to have a dedicated drive with financial information that's lean and mean. Meaning, you don't use it to read e-mail or surf. Just contact your financial contacts (banks, brokers, etc). It super reduces your chances of getting a trojan or being otherwised hacked!