help! installing new drives in w2k

[angelman]

I have just bought a new hard drive an want to replace my old one. I have in fact been using the new drive already so it has data on. I want to format it, make it the new system disk and install w2k on it (in two partitions). Trouble is when I swap the old drive with the new one (ie. old drive becomes primary slave, new drive primary mater) it won't recognise the new drive. If I keep the old drive (with w2k already installed) as primary master and new drive as primary slave everything works. I can format the new drive and install w2k on it. HOwever the old drive remains the system disk and thus any attempts to physically remove it screw up the computer.
What am I doing wrong? How can I make the new drive the system disk?? Why won't my machine recognise the new drive when it is installed alone in the machine?? When this is the case and I use the w2k install floppies to boot the machine it fails before it gets to the blue w2k installation menu screen saying it has a problem with the current hard drive...

[gr8vfr]

A couple questions for you.

Did you Fdisk it and set your partitions?
Please say you did not do this A:/format c: /s ?

This is what I do...
I Fdisk the drive and set the partitions.
I set the PC to boot from the CDROM, with winNT/2000 in the CDROM.
I follow the windows setup instructions and let NT format my C:/ on the HDD.
With Win2000, It is very simple.

When the New HDD is in the system alone, did you remove all the jumpers?

[angelman]

I didnt remove the jumpers but changed the jumpers so that the new drive had the jumper set a master and the old one as slave. I also moved the cable select jumper from old drive to the new one. What exactly does the cable select jumper do? I am not quite clear on that. I assume that the actual IDE cables dont matter which drive they are plugged into, as long as its plugged into the correct socket on the m/board of course!
I tried various combinations of the jumpers but with no luck

[angelman]

in reply to your other questions..

I inserted the w2k boot disks and with the old drive still set as the primary master, new drive primary slave, I ran the w2k installation. From here I formatted the new drive and formatted the old boot partition of the old drive. I then proceeded to continue with w2k installation as normal. THis has worked fine. I just feel it would be more efficient to get rid of the old drive altogether (its only small) and maybe just use it for backup or something.

[Imperion1]

New drive set as master, old drive as slave.
Cable select was used a few years ago, and isn't really supported anymore.
Disconnect the old drive to do this.
To create 2 partitions you will need to partition the new drive.
Fdisk, then create a Logical drive at 1/2 of the hard drive's size, create an extended partition, remember to set the first partition to active.
Reboot and format c: and d:
Install Win2k.
Reconnect the old drive, fdisk, change to second drive, set it as an extended drive. Exit fdisk, reboot to Win2k, copy any stuff off the old drive onto the new, then format your old drive.

[gr8vfr]

Imperion1 Added a few steps I left out this morning.

Here are a few tips.
Always set up an NT platform with one Hard drive.
I always do C:/ formatted with NTFS.
I never use more than 3gigs for C:/, I know you can use more with Win2000.
I format D:/,E:/,F:/, etc... with disk manager once I have the PC/ Server built and operational.
I put all unnessacary programs on D:/.
I copy i386 to the root of C:/

[angelman]

what exactly is the system disk? At present I have my old C drive which has nothing on it set as the system drive.
So if I take out the old drive all together.
Boot up to a DOS prompt with a bootable floppy and format my new drive completely using fdisk, then install w2k with the w2k boot floppies that should work. I should not bother with the w2k boot floppies to format and partition the new disk...

sorry if this is confusing, I just want to check

[Imperion1]

If you have already partitioned (2 partitions, C: and D:) and formatted your new drives, then just bootup with the boot floppy. Does a full version of Win2k come with a Boot Disk?

Anyway, if it does, then have the 2k cd in the cdrom, bootup with the Boot Disk. From there you will be given a few options, I think one of them is to install from CD or something similiar. Its been awhile since I've last installed windows. But install from cd. Usually its like option 1.


Wait, is this a full version 2k or an upgrade. Look in your manual for installing a new version. Just follow what the book says for installing.

[Raydeo Ray]

Imperion1: Re: your mention that "cable select" is no longer used. Can't agree with you on that one. Recently purchased a new 40G Quantum/Maxtor UDMA100 drive that came with the jumper set to "cable select"(which is the OEM default position) The newer motherboards that come with the "new" 80 conductor IDE cable require that the "blue" go to the MB. The reason for this is that these 80 conductor cables are Cable Select CABLES. Pin #28 is disconnedted in the slave connector. In fact, all standard floppy drive cables have always(and still are) cable select cables. This is why you see the center section of the floppy cable conductors "flipped". The newer ATA100 drives are becoming more selective as to jumper settings regarding the cable select option. As the new 80 conductor cables are "cable select" by their physical construction, I would definitely try that if having problems with a drive. A friend could not get his new drive to be detected when set to Master(stand alone drive). The only way his system would detect the drive was to set to CS(cable select). Easy enough to try...

[angelman]

forgive my ignorance. But with, if I have the master/slave/ jumper set should I just remove the cable select jumper alltogether maybe. or according raydeo if I just use cable select, should I not use the master/slave jumper
I am a little confused!

[Imperion1]

Let me refraise what I said then.
Most people no longer use cable select, except a handful.

If you use cable select, then you only have to have a jumper on the cable select pins on the hard drives. The ribbon cable is what will select the master and slave.

And Raydeo if you're gonna quote someone quote them correctly.

I did not say it was no longer used, I said it isn't really supported anymore. Meaning (read my second sentence).

[Raydeo Ray]

Angelman: What I suggested was that you try the "CS" jumper position as opposed to the Master or slave positions. You may need to set your new drive to CS and your old to Slave. Can't be sure about the old drive working in CS.

Imperion: The whole of my point was that the cable select mode is being supported now more than ever with the advent of the newer high speed/large capacity drives. I've now seen two ATA100/40G drives that would not be properly recognized with the ECS K7S5A MB. It's like the drive mfrs are now supporting the cable select cable that has been included with MB's for some time now...