SysOpt policy violation

[YMK]

Is it ok for moderators to break their own rules?


"-You will respect other people's right to personal privacy and will not post any other person's identifying information (including their names, contact information, and any other relevant information) within the forum but your own. "


A moderator's name who I will not mention here posted a lot of information about an untrustworthy seller including name, adress, name of spouse and user names for ebay. I know this has been done for trollhunting reasons but it seems like an outstanding example of hypocrisy.


And here's the last paragraph of the SysOpt Registration Agreement where that quote was taken from;
We at these Forums also reserve the right to disclose personal information when required by law or in the good-faith belief that such action is necessary to conform to the edicts of the law or comply with a legal process served on internet.com, protect and defend the rights or property of the internet.com network of sites, or visitors to internet.com, identify persons who may be violating the law, the legal notice, or the rights of third parties, and cooperate with the investigations of purported unlawful activities

... any questions ;) - Fingers

[GroundZero3]

nope. this person has jipped people out of money and i believe others should be allowed to know what there addresses and full names so we don't do deals with them


i would like to know

JaYsin

[jman01pa]

Lynch them. This posting was for the good of the community and not for one's personal gain. And if this had been a single incident and the person made good or at least attempted to make good, then that would be different.


J :)

[GroundZero3]

yup he ripped off more than one person


JaYsin

[Gomer]

Good God, leave the mods alone. Too many people gripe mods this, mods that. They do a great job here. For the most part, the rues that exist here apply to those lacking common sense only. It gives them some leverage for those who show up only to ruffle feathers.

This isn't utopia, nor is it a democracy. For those of you who don't like the way things are the best thing to do would be to take your ball to another playground.

BTW YMK, this wasn't directed at you, just people in general. =)

[club_med]

On the one hand:
Its for the good of the community to know who cannot be trusted.

On the other hand:
Posting someone spouse name? -over done.
Posting someone address? -there are many nuts out there.

my 2cents.

[GroundZero3]

i know what thread YMK is talking about and they did post this EX members wifes name. but from what i understand she was involed with it too


JaYsin

[Richard_Cranium72]

If you had been there and seen fully what transpired I am certain that this minor infringement was for the good of the community.

DrVette

[Brangwen]

Regardless of what actually occurred, YMK provided a service as well and like the moderators, should be commended.

It's good to see a member [here YMK] on his toes, and expressing a valid viewpoint. On the otherhand, but by no means more important, the mods do a fine (somewhat thankless job, presumably) and I appreciate their efforts very much.

Good exchange of opinions.

Brangwen ;)

[GroundZero3]

It's good to see a member [here YMK] on his toes, and expressing a valid viewpoint


how is it a valid view point when the mods were informing others of a troll?? i think they have the right to say HEY THIS GUY IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF! HERE IS HIS ADDRESS DO NOT DEAL WITH HIM! i think when they give an address out and the troll tries to sell items and someone recoginizes the address someone can say hey wait a minute i remember someone warned me about this person.


JaYsin

[Mntsnow]

You are correct. The People who ALL were involved with doing the trader rip off's were identified and pointed out. Only becuase of a proven track record was their Names posted with the details. and this was not the ONLY place to have that info posted. It was also posted at Trollhunters.com and then posted here as well due to the info being made to us by the membership in a colaboritive effort.

If you find fault with us for doing that....then I highly suggest moving on to a different forum as you will be happier in the future as we will not stand idle and allow this to type of BS to happen to our membership.

[Fingers]

Please take note of the information I added in red to YMK's original post

Fingers

ps... I appreciate the comments of those members who understand what goes on behind the scenes to help make this site what it is... thank you :)

[Brangwen]

GroundZero3:

You miss my point.

These are two competing interests involved: one of disclosing information about a member (e.g., spouse's names, address) vs one of watching out for the community of members by the moderators, which is of course a good thing for which I personally am grateful and which was (likely) justified in this instance.

I stated (clearly, I believe) that it was good to see opinions freely expressed regarding those interests. Nothing more, nothing less.

That sums up my submissions to this thread.

Brangwen ;)

[GroundZero3]

As for the scofflaws out there: their rights to privacy are forefit.

well said

JaYsin

[sharder8]

I also (once again ;) ) agree with The Caddmann
This also goes for any non-members, corporations, bureaucrats, or whomever should presume upon the computer users of the world in an attempt to rip us off, spam us, infect our systems, or invade the privacy of any law abiding citizen.
As for the scofflaws out there: their rights to privacy are forefit.

Harder

[surrealchereal]

Posting someone spouse name? -over done.
Well no, it's not YMK, because she was an accomplice, and it was supposedly her address he and she both used in their schemes.

I appreciate your concern, but this guy has ripped off many at sysopt, and on other forums, not knowing the details or how long this guy went on, it would appear harsh, but trust me it is not considering how long he ripped off people.

I would expect the same kind of exposure if I committed the same kind of crimes here.

Also just a word about our moderators, if it weren't for them, this would not be the great community it is, they spend hours here daily, and do it for no reason but love of the community, in other words, for free. How many people would be so committed to such a job? Keeping this a really great place for all of us?:cool:

[KAknight]

No one is forced to post here. By doing so, they are agreeing to follow the boards rules and to abide the consequences of their actions. The moderators have full right to be hypocrites because this is their board. I do not think that they were being hypocrites, but if they were, that is their right. As I said before, NO ONE IS FORCED TO POST HERE.

[bluedragon]

While unfamiliar with the exact post referred to I do understand the reason for it.
Asking questions and getting answers is exactly what sysopt is all about:)
A closer reading of the paragraph presented though shows that the moderators were doing their job. Not bending the rules.

"identify persons who may be violating the law"

Thats a direct quote from the paragraph in question.
Bravo! Keep up the good work.

We all agree to these rules when we join the site. I for one am glad to see that the mods follow them just as we all should for the good of us all.:)

[SPEEDO]

This is Scotts baby!

We are all just guests here!
The rules have been set and if you can't live with them you should be asked to leave!

Somebody has to make these decisions or there would be chaos here just as in other forums, That's what MODS are for!

Whatever they choose to do is OK with me it's their ride!


SPEEDO

[edwelly]

If you find fault with us for doing that....then I highly suggest moving on to a different forum as you will be happier in the future as we will not stand idle and allow this to type of BS to happen to our membership.
THANK YOU and the rest of the MODS for looking out for US, the GUESTS here. It is really comforting to know that SOMEBODY is watching out for me...

-:p-edwelly

[darrelld]

God knows I enjoy these forums, and believe the moderators do an outstanding job. Yet, at the risk of being persecuted such as YMK has been, I have to agree with brangwen, and also state that nowhere in YMK's post did he say he thought what by-tor had done was a good thing, (I'm assuming he is referring to this thread http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77568 )nor did he say he felt that it was wrong to expose trolls. He was merely pointing out what he percieved to be a flaw in the user agreement. Had he read it completely he probably wouldn't have posted.

If he does however believe that it is wrong to expose trolls, then he should abandon these forums.

suurealchereal,
If you go back and read through the thread you will find that it was not YMK who stated Posting someone spouse name? -over done.