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CMonster
09-24-2001, 08:36 AM
reposted from www.thedukeofurl.org/reviews/misc/tamingbeast

"...If you haven't heard, Microsoft has been busy since the rulings. They have changed the rules for desktop icons on Windows XP at least twice (or was that three times?), settled their dispute with Kodak, and is rushing to release Windows XP earlier than had been originally planned. The desktop icon issue started with AOL wanting to get an icon for its on-line service placed on the Windows XP desktop. This is critical for them as it allows users to join AOL more easily than if they had to locate and order a CD. Microsoft responded with a flat "No." After some intense negotiating and a lot of bickering, it looks like AOL may get their icon after all -- but not because of Microsoft directly. Microsoft indicated that they would allow PC vendors to modify Windows by placing any icons they wish on the desktop. AOL reacted quickly by entering into negotiations with the PC vendors so they could get the coveted spot on the desktop. Microsoft then changed the rules to state that vendors could only do so if they also placed an MSN icon on the desktop as well.

The Kodak dispute was even more interesting. Mainly because Windows XP originally (during beta testing) would not allow Kodak's software to run when installed, and instead ran Microsoft's "Scanner and Media Wizard" when a user connected a digital camera to their PC. This resulted in Kodak threatening legal action. Microsoft settled the case by changing the code so that any software related to digital cameras could be installed and used by consumers. In return, Kodak agreed to publicly support Windows XP.

In regard to the rushing of Windows XP to market, as I write this, there is speculation that the date has indeed been changed, and Windows XP will be officially released on September 24. This is a full month earlier than the planned October 25 release date. Most industry observers agree that this change is intended to thwart a possible move by some US senators to get an injunction against Microsoft that would prevent them from releasing Windows XP. The reasoning behind such an injunction is that Windows XP will prevent many technologies from reaching consumers and will stifle competition. As an example of this, Slashdot recently ran a story about Windows XP's blocking of troublesome drivers. The essence of the story, which originated from The Register, is that Microsoft now has the ability to block specific drivers based on its own criteria. Microsoft essentially states that they will block drivers that have a history of crashing and that after so many crashes the driver is blocked. The author of the driver will be informed that their software will be blocked and given time to fix it. However my concern goes back to Microsoft's admission during the anti-trust trial that they had created false error messages in Windows 3.1 that were generated whenever someone ran Windows 3.1 on top of Caldera's DR-DOS instead of Microsoft's MS-DOS. This gave many people the impression that DR-DOS was unsuitable for running Windows and as a result many of those people switched to MS-DOS. Not exactly a great track record to bank on. In addition to this, Microsoft has included its own firewall software in Windows XP. This means that the makers of Black ICE Defender and ZoneAlarm are rushing to make sure that their software will not be blocked and will carry the Windows XP logo.

So what does all of this mean? For starters it is obvious that Microsoft is delaying any court ruling as best it can and to some extent has been successful in tying the judicial system in knots. It also gives Microsoft the false impression that Microsoft is changing its ways after all these years. This gives them some maneuvering room to get XP into stores and to move along in the .Net initiative.

I think what interests me is that Microsoft is clearly operating with two faces here. While this is not news to many in the IT industry, it certainly seems to be fooling consumers around the world. Clearly Microsoft still plays hardball and is very interested in using its dominance in the industry to further its own agenda at the expense of others. While I agree that competition is good and very necessary, I don't think that extinguishing innovation from the industry and eliminating choice is in the best interest of the consumer.

In fact, it's that same track record that has me greatly concerned about the future. With the coming of Hailstorm, Microsoft's proposed authentication service, we will be left with only one entity controlling access to vast areas of the Internet and managing personal information for most Internet users. I am certain that allowing a corporation which has continually displayed amazing feats of arrogance and is visibly ethically challenged is not a very good idea. I say this for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, I don't think that a single entity should control access to a global resource. Nor should it control how your personal information is stored and decide how it will be used. I think that if authentication services are the future, and on paper it makes a great deal of sense, then it should be split among several entities, public and private, that have to cooperate with each other. The idea of cooperation between these various authentication providers has the benefit of removing monopolistic behavioral practices and at the same time providing competition. If you are dissatisfied with how your information has been handled you could transfer that information to another provider.

The second reason I am concerned has to do with security. Microsoft has time and time again shown a complete disregard for ensuring proper security in their operating system products. With the now infamous Internet Information Server (IIS), this is most prevelant. Code Red anyone? Microsoft will often argue that they are providing what the market wants, which is ease of use. However, there is a penalty here, often times you must sacrifice security to provide ease of use. That may be fine for consumer products, but is pretty much unforgivable when you provide a service that involves peoples' personal information. After all, if your bank gets hacked and it affects you, the bank makes amends very quickly and increases the level of their security measures. Banks are used to handling this type of information, trust me, they put security before all else. They work hard to maintain their reputations and a compromised transaction is not at all in their best interests. Microsoft would do well to learn from the financial sector. As it stands now, Microsoft is the most hacked on-line presence in the world. Hotmail is compromised on a regular basis. How hard would it be to compromise Passport (the authentication element of the Hailstorm services).

Personal information is sacred to most of us - or so you would think. Unfortunately, many people lose that common sense when they connect to the Internet. They provide detailed information about their personal lives in exchange for some freebie on the Internet. These people wouldn't give out a scrap of information to someone calling at their door, yet do so freely when the Internet is involved. The price here is lack of freedom. Your information is usually sold to third parties whose intent is to build a profile of your habits and market products and services to you based on your profile. Harvesting of information has become a requirement of the new information-based economy. So much that we have seen some incredible demonstrations of arrogance exhibited by many large corporations. Some time ago, Microsoft came under heavy fire for the terms of use they had published for their Passport services. In the original draft, use of the service allowed Microsoft to use at their discretion any information you transmitted through their servers - whether it was personal or business-related. To add further insult to injury, Microsoft also gave up any copyrights or trademarks you may have had with that material. They have since taken a softened stance on this and now only require that you give up such rights in any feedback that you provide to them on their services. In my opinion, with the original draft, we have seen Microsoft's true colors, which is another reason not to trust them with managing your personal information. I wonder if anybody remembers 1996 when Microsoft was caught with a consumer database, containing more than just registration information. They worked hard to deny the existence of that database, and in the end had to acknowledge that they were tracking consumer profiles.."

club_med
09-24-2001, 09:22 AM
...and is rushing to release Windows XP earlier than had been originally planned...


Great, we all know what that means.

surrealchereal
09-24-2001, 10:51 AM
At this point the only thing that will stop Microsoft is the consumers saying no. :( And we know that will never happen.

surrealchereal
09-24-2001, 11:01 AM
I write this, there is speculation that the date has indeed been changed, and Windows XP will be officially released on September 24. This is a full month earlier than the planned October 25 release date.
Windows XPSE released October 24
Windows XPSEb released November 24
Windows XPSEc released January 24
Windows XPSEe released March 24


In showing gratitude to it's loyal users Microsoft will only charge 99.00 to customers with a current edition of XP to upgrade to the next release.

wyvrn
09-24-2001, 11:25 AM
I wonder if anybody remembers 1996 when Microsoft was caught with a consumer database, containing more than just registration information. They worked hard to deny the existence of that database, and in the end had to acknowledge that they were tracking consumer profiles.."
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDD! MS pants are too big.

GrimBo
09-24-2001, 11:43 AM
In showing gratitude to it's loyal users Microsoft will only charge 99.00 to customers with a current edition of XP to upgrade to the next release.

So your saying that if I buy the released version on Oct 24th, then I should be able to upgrade to XPSEe thats going to be released March 24 for 99$? Or do I have to pay 99$ for every one? :confused:

CMonster
09-25-2001, 04:33 AM
Every time I have said "NEVER" with great determinaiton I have wound up doing just exactly what it was I disdained.

Mr.Goodbytes
09-25-2001, 05:08 AM
I should know this, surreal, but I haven't been a big XP nut, but where did you learn that MS is going not only have planned release dates for XP, but also will be prepared to charge customers for each individual update?

club_med
09-25-2001, 05:16 AM
Microsoft will often argue that they are providing what the market wants


Why yes I would love to have BigBrother watch over me and dictate to me what buy and what not. What to install and what not.[/sarcasm]

t048
09-25-2001, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by caddmannq
I will never, never, never, never, never, never, upgrade to XP.
It would be kind of hard to "upgrade" to XP from any OS because that would be, at best, a lateral move. :)

t048
09-26-2001, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by caddmannq
Well, I could be forced into it at work somehow (Good God, especially if UCITA passes!)
I'm being forced to use it at work, too. All of the upper level people were seduced by all of the sparkles. And now I get to administer those systems.

cadetstimpy
09-26-2001, 06:05 AM
Microsoft will often argue that they are providing what the market wants, which is ease of use. However, there is a penalty here, often times you must sacrifice security to provide ease of use

Hmmmm....in regards to security

virus = file self mutation of source code that can transfer to other files

Code Red Virus = simple use of Microsoft's visual basic structure to script commands. No mutation involved.

Until Microsoft learns the difference between a virus and security design flaws via 'ease of use' (ease of use is more a programming convenience for them and less for users) then I won't trust their security.

I know one thing... if Microsoft started selling firewall equipment...I wouldn't go jump to buy one. Imagine the security issues that would exist now if it weren't for NAT technology.

Jonnyboy
11-10-2002, 07:59 PM
Well,
thats why our government came up with Laws that preclude Monopolies. I have studied the history of Mr. Gates and I find it laughable that people say what a genius he is. He was halfway bright (hardball marketer) and was in the right place at the right time and now he's the richest moron in the world....whatever. I downloaded mandrake about a year ago and have been learning to use it. Seems to me that if people learn to use this awesome os(sic linux) or apple for that matter and QUIT BUYING INTO THE MONOPOLY, then they wont be able to move forward with their plans to have us running our os' and data from their servers THAT THEY CONTROL. The market will bear what the market demands- it was true before the 8088 chip was put to use and it will be true as long as we are free to choose what we buy. I read an article in the paper 3 days ago that reports a whole region in Spain(that is poor) is getting rid of w**blows and moving to redhat or mandrake. This is not the only one either. there is a movement out there and MS knows it too. Just my 2 cents worth- what do I know about anything....

dwood
11-10-2002, 09:35 PM
food for thought : a 16yr old aussie cracked ms.net or was she younger??

Slade54
11-10-2002, 10:32 PM
Stop your bickering!!!

How many ppl here use Windows as their primary workstation (your job doesnt count, you usually dont have much of a choice in that matter)

What you need to do is switch over to a different OS, whether it be Mac, or Unix based(wait a sec, Mac X is Unix based isnt it? whatever, you get the picture)

And educate other less computer knowledgeable people about the problems with Microsoft and all their "products" (more like the perpetual beta to me, dont worry, we fixed everything with this release and it only cost 100 dollars!! thats a deal!, no this release, no wait, this one, o **** this fixes that, opps here, thatll patch this up, uh, we got anther problem...etc...etc...etc...the sad thing...im not exaggerating) and show them the power of Unix based stuff, Mandrake 9.0 is supposed to be the best desktop linux yet (im using 8.2, so i dont really know for a fact, ive jst heard)

i havent bought a microsoft product since i bought this computer in 1999, and back then, i didnt know nearly as much about computers, and the computer world as i do now.

It would be one thing if they didnt charge $100 for windows, then another $100 for the upgrade, and yet arent hold accountable for its comprises to your data.
If your car company sold you a car with a faulty part, THEY are expected to fix it for FREE, not charge you 100 bucks for it. THEY are hold accountable for problems that may arise that is their fault.
I understand building an OS can be a difficult thing, and filled with challenges
But hey, we have linux, stable, solid, no secerity breaches every week, almost never really

And yes, we do have anti-trust laws, they have helped in the past, but what has it done for us with Microsoft? Absolutely nothing, we still have a monoply thats jerks us around, and we cant do a whole lot about it, except boy cott it, but that only goes so far when OEMs and big businesses are its real customers, and the ppl who buy from OEMs dont know much bout comps anyways, and big business usually dont realize that using linux is a real cost cutting measure (or whatever the hell goes on in their heads)

And when ppl say Wintel, i find that kinda of interesting, yes it makes perfect sense, and is very true, but Intel, very very unlike MS, realease a very good product, it works, it delivers, the only catch is the price

Thats enough ranting for one night.