Anybody know what my upgrade options are?

[OuTpaTienT]

Why not a free upgrade? That CPU should run at 200 without breaking a sweat. Probably run at 233.

I have a AMD K6/166 (which ran even hotter than the Pentiums) and it runs at 233, no problems. You might have to bump up the voltage a little.

[jl123]

I have heard that a AMD-K6-2 400mhz will run on a 66mhz bus if you change the multiplier to 2x. This multiplier setting to the processor is 6x, giving you the 400mhz. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Someone on this board told me that but i never tried it. Can anyone that has done this back me up on this??? I'm not sure if it's true or not since I personally have not tried it.

Anyone?

~Joel

[OuTpaTienT]

Sure that works (why wouldn't it). But whether his m/b will accept an AMD is another story.

[techs]

i'm sorry but an AMD k6-2 400....NOT. you would fry the chip.
if you have a "fully upgradeable(as intel calls it) socket 7 you can put in an intel overdrive and go to 233mmx.
or you can go to 200mhz if the chip can handle it via the multiplier, almost always works. you can also check with evergreen which makes an upgrade using, i think amdk6-2 400, but with the needed voltage regulator attached. check them out on the web.
go to a Cyrix? well the cyrix chips needs 2.9volts and unless your mobo supports this (most don't) it's not an option

[Dputiger]

If his board will support the K6-2 400's voltage settings, yes, he can run it (and yes, I've run one this way).

However, EDO RAM is expensive, so unless you can find it very cheap, I'd say don't bother.

[Savant]

I have a K-6 2 running at 450 (6x75) 6x66=400 works too IF *VERY IMPORTANT* it supports 2.2v

[Richard_Cranium72]

Edtrip, I'd help a lot to know what you expect the machine to do when finished.

If it's a gamer, that's one thing.
If it's a generic use, scanning, surfing, printing, that's another ball game.

If it's the latter, Like the man said, o/c the cpu a little.

I've done a few old Pentium-100's, 120's and they work real well for regular home use.
A big boost for these was 64mb RAN and Win98 upg with everything in msconfig eliminated except Scan registry, System tray and the anti-virus.

Another idea I like is WinLite, a software that removes some weight outta 98. Haven't used it, nor have I seen any users here comment on it..->>
"FREE Preview is a no-nags, unlimited preview for what 98lite Professional can do to dramatically improve performance and stability under Windows. Speed up Windows98 by dis-integrating the internet from the desktop"->> http://www.98lite.net/preview.html

The FULL version is $25.

just FYI,
DrVette

[techs]

The odds of you having an ibm with a board that will support the amd k6-2 400 are very, very ,very slim. you stated the model was offered with a pent200 option, not a pent mmx option. the difference between these two processors is that the mmx requires a voltage regulator to reduce the mobo voltage to the 2.8 v that mmx requires internally(called dual voltage)and you would need something like 2.2v to run the amd. IBM like most major manufacturers puts nothing into their commercial p.c.'s that costs money and won't be of value in selling the machine. so i would definitely assume you don't have a dual voltage socket7 required by an amdk62-400 as minimum. also, most k6-2 400's require a 100mhz system bus which EDO will not support. i have heard people have underclocked the amd to run on a 66mhz bus, but i have been told that only specific amd chips support this, and most will not run at all on 66 mhz.
so while it is technically possible to have a mobo that came in a pent 166non mmx machine, i would say the odds are next to zip in an ibm machine(much better in a generic model). if you want to try it go ahead. it is throwing away money, better spent on something that has better than a one in thousand chance of working. I strongly suggest you talk to an APlus certified computer tech who knows about your options.

[This message has been edited by techs (edited 09-02-2000).]

[rrick31]

i think you can up to a 200 mhz cpu intel only and up to 96 megs of ram and i think 8.4gig hdd.an faster cdrom.addd on video card,and modem.but not much more.my wife has one added more ram,nic,cd/cdrw.that one has the wierd riser card.good luck

[edtrip]

Thanks for the input, everyone.
I'm definitely of the opinion that this board is not going to handle any k6 or k6-2. It's top rating is p200 non-MMX, it does not support dual voltage. I don't know if I could find diagrams to show me jumper settings anyway. But thanks to the ideas listed here, I did check out the Intel 200mmx overdrive chip that will drop right on the board, no questions asked, and I think I can get it fairly cheap @ebay, same for the EDO (gotta have it)
And Richard_Cranium, I hear what you're saying about the benefits of Win98. When I control-alt-delete that Aptiva it shows its got about 2 doz programs running, right from the boot. One of the things I really hate about a factory machine........all the **** they stuff on the hard drive, most of which is never used.

As far as what the system's being used for....nothing too intensive, mostly just browsing and some non-3d games, its only got the 2meg ATI chip integrated on the board anyway.
I think the 200 overdrive sounds the simplest way to go, and a format:c if I can convince him of that.

PS just as an aside, does anyone else out there have any friends, they went out and bought a PC, were really into it, for a while, and then its like they swallow a stupid pill or something, cause 1 yr, 2yr, even 3 yr later, they know NOTHING they didn't know 3 weeks after they got the PC. The brain just shuts down and learning stops about the time they learn how to run a mouse.

[drojman]

OH Yeah! I definitely know folks like that. My mom had a windows computer before I did, and still has no clue whats going on! ... LOL

man...

[Richard_Cranium72]

Yea, folks who buy a pewter and then just Look at it. duh

One very young couple I know spent like 2 grand on a machine they NEVER use.

My super intelligent brother-in-law, the Doctor bought Pentium 400 in 98 for $3,000.00 just to run -> DOS <- what a dipwad.

HEY, he's family I can talk like that if I like http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

DrVette

[OuTpaTienT]

How much is EDO ram worth anyways? I just gave away 64Mb of it and still have 128Mb of it sitting here collecting dust.

[edtrip]

Would that be 2 64meg sticks, or 4 32meg? In the past I gave it away too, but since it was just 4 8meg sticks, it didn't matter much. But if you got it in 16 or 32 meg sticks, take a little stroll thru Ebay and see what kind of prices its getting. It's up there around a buck a meg, give or take. It's enough that I wouldn't just leave it sitting in the closet http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[OuTpaTienT]

hmmmm, 32mb'ers. At least the stuff I gave away was for a good cause (animal shelter). Maybe I should throw the rest of this stuff on ebay and see if there are any bidders.

[edtrip]

4-32's? Definitely toss it on the auction block. I bet the proceeds would pay for a 128 meg stick of PC133.

[edtrip]

Hi,
The System : an IBM Aptiva purchased in late 96 with a pentium 166 (non-MMX) and 32 megs of EDO ram, running Win 95B. The power supply is a whopping 145 W.
This is a friends PC and if it can't be done cheap, he's "don't bother"
Definitely plan to double the RAM AND I'd like to upgrade the processor. I know it will take a non-MMX 200 (because it was an option when he bought it) but...

Will it take anything else?

I was thinking a 6x86 Cyrix P200+ just because they're so much cheaper. But I don't know if the mobo will take it and IBM site don't say much, I haven't checked yet but I'd bet I'm locked at a 66FSB and the 200 cyrix runs 75x2. Even if it was adjustable I don't know if I could find the proper settings anywhere.
So any help or advice anyone can offer is appreciated. Intel, Cyrix, Winchip? Thanks