Palomino release date

[Jeffy]

@ the bottom of the article, it says ati has the license to make chipsets for the p4. really?

[Jeffy]

sorry nm wut i said, i saw this in another article n got it confused with this one.

[amdman]

About time AMD gets off theis butts and starts doing something. They are never going to beat Intel if they dont start doing some serious advertising. I love AMD but they need to get rid of their marketing department if they even exist, and hire some other people.

[amdman]

About time AMD gets off theis butts and starts doing something. They are never going to beat Intel if they dont start doing some serious advertising. I love AMD but they need to get rid of their marketing department if they even exist, and hire some other people.

[ukulele]

The only reason why AMD is more cost effective then Intel is because they don't spend half thier cash flow on advertising. As a consumer and frequent upgrader, I hope they never change that policy. I could care less about who is the top dog. Bottom line, I want the best performance at the lowest possible price. What the rest of the world doesn't know is the least of my concerns. Most Americans are obsessed with buying brand name products and it is thier loss, not mine. A classic example is Craftsman power tools. Anyone who uses power tools professionaly will tell you they are total rubish and the least cost effective tools on the market, but because they have all the bells and whistles and a huge marketing budget, they consistantly sell better then many other brands that are ten times the quality.

[vintron]

the attittude in the last reply is VERY wrong. This is the UNITED STATES..... a CAPITALIST ECONOMY!!! wake up.

Companies HAVE to keep trying to get on top when it comes to market shares if they WANT TO EXIST. If they give up on competition, then the company will be DEAD soon.

I am ready (and i am sure that most other AMD supporters, too) to pay a few more dollars (even a $1 will make a difference of millions of $$$) if AMD needs that money to improve their marketting methods and get more customers.

A HUGE part of the consumers are non-IT and non-tech interested people. They dont know **** about floating point calculations or cache memory. They just buy stuff based on what they see most in the "idiot-box"

So AMD NEEDS more advertisement. I hate to c a company like AMD (who helped bring the prices down in the microprocessor market) die just becasue stupid people dint c enough ads to convince them "what is hip" and better.

[Neon]

Oh my, without enough marketing and adverts, our capitalist economy will DIE. We need to get this message to the President, who can recommend that all companies massively increase their ad budgets in order to fix the economy.

It's nearly miraculous that capitalism survived long enough until use of broadcast TV ads. They make it possible for capitalism to EXIST.

AMD definately needs to get hip on TV, so they can attract more stupid people to be their customers.
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There is an important factor called word-of-mouth, which is what most consumers use to make their purchasing decisions. This forum (and others) is also here to facilitate that communication / education.

Intel can have the artsy irrelevant blue men. Quality, reliability, performance / price ratio, etc. are more important factors that I will be looking for in my next processor purchase. I will not pay more so AMD can increase the marketing budget. It does me no good. I will not pay more so AMD can gain new customers. It does me no good.

[BBA]

Neon...If you want to live by the advertising methods of the 50's, you will make the kind of money those in the 50's made...which is not enough to keep from going bankrupt in the 2000's.

In TODAY's economy...if AMD does not advertise, they will suffer.

No if's and's or but's.

[camaro]

"A classic example is Craftsman power tools. Anyone who uses power tools professionaly will tell you they are total rubish and the least cost effective tools on the market, but because they have all the bells and whistles and a huge marketing budget, they consistantly sell better then many other brands that are ten times the quality. "

I use only craftsman tools are I believe they are one of the best out there. What bells and whistles are you talking about? What can they add to a socket or wrench? It does one job and does it right. I didn't have impact sockets one time so I used my craftsman socket and it held up to 300ft/lbs of torque. The Walmart brand would have been in pieces in seconds. That socket was not designed to withstand strong impacts, but it did. There are way more expensive tools out there that you probably never heard of cause they only sell to professional shops. Craftsman is the best a mortal man can buy. I never had anything break on me and I use tools alot for heavy duty repairs. Do you do car repairs on consistent basis or did you hear it from a friend who heard it from his cousins' sisters' mechanic?

[ukulele]

I was refering to Craftsman power tools. Their hand tools are guaranteed for life and better be good, but their power tools are junk and only sell because of the advertised name. If AMD relied on advertisement to sell their product they would never have had the money to get the market share they now enjoy because of quality and inovation. Their business model was right on from the start and my hat is off to their marketing strategy. The fact is they have Intel sweating and they did it the old fasioned way. Good quality, good price and word of mouth. The upcomming Palomino chips will hopefully speak for themselves too.

[corrupted]

as much as i hate to say it, todays industries are almost completely driven by mass marketing. in australia we see all these fancy intel ads on tv, but when it comes down to the crunch, theyr'e almost level with amd and the others. that's because of the megahertz myth they instill in the general user. intel = faster = better.

i built an AMD based system because i wanted true performance, but most people just don't see that in the real world. and let's not forget about the naming system intel used to distance themselves (descriminate) from the other players in the beginning of the last decade. businesses still want the intel brand because they can rely on it's working, regardless of performance. and intel has always had a bigger marketing budget than anyone else in the australian CPU market.

wherever we're talking about, marketing is the biggest problem facing AMD lately. and if they don't start using more than computer magazines as their main placement, they're probably going to have problems selling chips in a few years.

[GrimBo]

ukulele, I may be one exception to the rule, but I have the Craftsman 18volt cordless drill that I've had for almost 2 years and I haven't had any problems out of it. IMO, it's out performed most of the other drills that I've used. The only other drill I would own would be a Dewault.

[jad1097]

Crapsman tools are just that, ****. Their sockets, ratchets and wrenchs are fine for a home owner but for anyone who does it for a living or that want's good quaility tools they just don't cut it.


My first month as a mechanic was spent going to sears every couple days to exchange broken/striped out tools! A 3/8" air ratchet would <SNAP> them every time, I never even considered putting "300ft/lbs of torque" to any of those crappy tools. What good is a warrenty if you can't drive your broke down car to sears to replace their crappy tool that just broke?! I ended up investing in some real tools made by Snap-On, Proto and Mac tools, hmmm never broke any of them. http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/biggrin.gif


I still have a pair of crapsman channel/locks in my tool box that broke into several pieces <SNAP> when I was tighting a 3" piece of rigid conduit in the middle of winter. 20 degs outside and I have to walk across the job to borrow a pair made by channel\lock to get the job done right! I guess their tool don't work very well in cold climates, cheap pot metal. I should have bought a tool that would have got the job done right the first time. Oh, this was while building the new mall in Nashville (opra mills) so the walk was not a short one.


Crapsman does not make a quality tool period


BTW AMD does need to do some advertising.

PS did I mention crapsman makes crappy tools?



[This message has been edited by jad1097 (edited 09-10-2001).]

[amdman]

By the way did i mention you are on crack!!!

[palamino]

I thought this was to be a discussion on the Palamino release date.

Thanks for the link to the Inquirer article sysopt.com.