Intel previews 3.5GHz Pentium 4

[t048]

The heat is on, AMD.

[Inferior]

****, I really need to upgrade my p2... :/

[vesther]

IMO Intel needs to stop convincing consumers that Megahertz equal performance and instead improve the architecture of their current Pentium/Celeron Processors as rushing faster processors to the market won't be enough as Intel has made a lot of buggy chips ever since the jump to Socketed Pentium III (Tualatin). If the architecture can improve, maybe Intel won't be a victim of what I call "The Megahertz Myth". Because Intel's chips have such a long pipeline, it is assumed that the 3.5GHz P4 will only have a larger pipeline that will do more hurt than benefit to the customer.

[superraton01]

i have to agree with to48. the heat is on amd. even if there are technical xplanatns why 3.5ghz isnt as awesome as it seems,
it seems awesome to me and 90% of pc purchasers, inspite to techical xplanatns
to the contrary. in other words, amd
had better equal it or be history. i write
this as an amd user and amd friend.

[Hellmund]

It's just a 0.13um Northwood core, it has the same pipeline as current Williamettes. AMD's going to have to do something more than just use model's instead of speed on their chips. Doesn't matter if the IPC is 0.5, if it's running at 3.5ghz it'll beat 1 and 1.4ghz.......

BTW vesther, it is an improved core, PIII-PII-P-PRO were all P6 core.

[BBA]

vesther....

IMO Intel needs to stop convincing consumers that Megahertz equal performance and instead improve the architecture of their current Pentium/Celeron Processors


Did you read the article at all? That's pretty much what it said Intel is saying.

You still need more MIP's for things though.

Also, the Tulatin is not the "introduction P3" it is the latest and best P3 yet, with the 512K cache model out performing any other processor...including the AMD Palimino MHz for MHz.

[omeyehead]

Have to wonder if the chip was cryoed. Apparently they did this in the past according to this article here. http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1515

[corrupted]

as i read between the lines, i see more than just 10GHz coming out of intel's processors in the next decade. it looks like they want to push 20 or more. they admitted that speed isn't everything, but they also said that speed is more important than capability. something i have yet to see in the real world.

can intel tell us what their real plans are? please? it looks like they have the answers to consumers needs, but i have yet to see intel change themselves to meet the customer. it's usually the other way round, in my experience. it wouldn't surprise me if they "accidentally" omitted their cooling system for the processor.

"the struggling giant tries hopelessly to remain in control"?

[Hellmund]

Even if it was Kryoed it's not that important, the t-bird/palomino won't reach 3.5ghz supercooled, even if by some miracle it did it would perform the same as a 2ghz chip, T-birds can only scale so far with SDR/DDR RAM. RDRAM does do the PIv well in that respect.

[Tron]

I do not think Intel can sell this chip alredy it´s just a handpikt model overclockt!
Just a jear ago Intel previewd the 2Ghz P4,
and it just came out now!

I am sure the hammer will hammerdown everything http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/wink.gif

[CMonster]

This is indeed impressive - we knew it was coming... and in a few years perhaps 20, 30Ghz CPUs. But I sure wish that work on the remaining bottlenecks would continue at the same pace, like eliminating mechanical disk drives, increasing bus transfer rates, and outside the box -improving network performance.

Nice timing Intel -when AMD stock is at a 2-year low, -umph! kick'um when they're down!

With these superfast CPUs hardware manufacturers can offload even more of the hardware functions to software. Just imagine - a supercheap motherboard with all video, sound, ethernet, modem, etc -completely software emulated -no real hardware.... we could call them "winboards" since they would most likely only work with MS Windows anyway.... and sell them in eMachines ...the performance? -about like a 533mhz Celeron.

[kgtech1]

WOW, Intel is really up there, with the new processor power. That is really amazing.

[Fingers]

All I can say is 3.5GHz is pretty impressive, and so are the other enhancements that Intel is developing.

I can't quite understand why people can't get past the company name and just admit that Intel was, and still is the company that's doing more to advance microprocessor technology than anyone else. That doesn't take anything away from AMD, they have their own accomplishments to be proud of, but the biggest advancements, at least so far, have come from Intel.

[bill1971]

Once a staunch Intel PIII proponent,my hat
is still tipped to AMD - 1.4 GHz for a little
over a hundred bucks! If it weren't for AMD,
I'd still be paying $300 for a PIII 500!
I'll support AMD,if for nothing else but
levelling the playing field.

[Godfather]

Yea, and a 2 GHz AMD Thunderbird will probably blow it away!! LOL

[mudoggy]

Wow! Impressive stuff!

The cool part (or scary, depending upon how you look at it) is that this is the stuff that they are actually TELLING us about.

Imagine what is in the "Skunk Works" type areas of R&D.

[DiscoLando]

Hey mudoggy, sounds like you've been playing too much Alpha Centauri.

Seriously, though, I do wonder what Intel has going on behind closed doors - especially with their IA-64 platform...

[nick t]

3.5Ghz ...Pathetic!!! has anyone seen this! http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=92371
Anyone for a 70Ghz Motorola chip!
the future is bright, the future is a 70Ghz i-mac!

[thompson16]

AMD better pull a rabbit from it's Hat. The world is waiting (mostly me.)

[Turnip12]

Little bright news (http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2001/august/010831_Model_3500/010831_Model_3500.htm) for other AMD lovers. http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by SysOpt (edited 09-06-2001).]

[CMonster]

Well, I will soon be the owner of a dual Athlon system....

How do you like that -there's more than one way to get to 3Gz preformance (=Two x 1.4 T-birds)

[conjh13]

Uh huh, the dual proccessor myth. Two Athlons at 1.4 Ghz unfortunately does not equal 3GHz or even 2.8Ghz. It equals 1.4GHz. You see, just because you have two of them doesn't mean they run faster. What that means you have approximately twice the operations per cycle, however just the same amount of cycles per second, which is in fact the MHz. You don't even necessarily get twice the amount of operations per cycle, as one program will still use only one of the cpu's. If you have enough small programs open, the load should be fairly evenly divided. Furthermore, if you're running Windows 9x or Windows ME, dual cpu's really won't make any difference at all since none of those OS's support dual cpu's. Windows NT, Windows2000, or Linux however do support dual proccessors.

Yes, I do have a dual proccessor system. http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/wink.gif Mine's a dual P3. Two 933's OCd to 1030. I have dual boot windows98SE/windows2000.

3.5 GHz... interesting. I've read aritcles stating that Intel already has the technology to make a 10GHz cpu, but likely won't impliment it for 5 or 10 years. Oh well. I guess we'll see.

[prexaspes]

My Intel Pentium 6 15ghz is faster than your AMD Jackhammer 13.5 ghz!

[CMonster]

conjh13:

Forgive me for propagating the myth, you're right, dual CPUs will not make "speed demon 2001" go faster on any 9x kernel, but it will make Photoshop kick some serious 4$$ with Windows 2000. I am well aware of all that you wrote.

- I'm also afraid that I haven't really "used" any iteration of Windows for about a year now. I use Linux, which as you know supports smp, and for my favorite tasks the performance gain from multi-threading on 2 Athlon CPUs on the EV-6 bus should exceed the performance of a single P4 even at twice the speed in mhz on a quad piped 100mhz bus.

But most importantly it will give me "15 minutes" of bragging rights http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/wink.gif

[hajn]

THATS GREAT, BUT WHAT GOOD IS IT IF WINDOWS BLUE SCREENS YOU AND ALL THE OTHER HARDWARE IS STILL "586" CLASS. IT'S LIKE PUTTING A JET ENGINE ON A MODEL "T".

H'mmm, now where did I leave my apple....

[hajn]

THATS GREAT, BUT WHAT GOOD IS IT IF WINDOWS BLUE SCREENS YOU AND ALL THE OTHER HARDWARE IS STILL "586" CLASS. IT'S LIKE PUTTING A JET ENGINE ON A MODEL "T".

H'mmm, now where did I leave my apple....

[moabtwo]

Maybe AMD need to submit the performance ratings against a Intel ship(I'm sorry chip)that shows the true speed.