BBA
08-23-2001, 09:22 AM
Good article.
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hirschY
08-23-2001, 01:04 PM
I cant wait!
I am so looking forward to just opening up that XP CD and handing M$ all the info they need to be able to take over my life!! http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/biggrin.gif
Isnt that what we should all be doing?
Or should we give it to AOL?
ROFLMAO
Yes, I will be there for the first copy, and I will see just how far it goes.....
I am so looking forward to just opening up that XP CD and handing M$ all the info they need to be able to take over my life!! http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/biggrin.gif
Isnt that what we should all be doing?
Or should we give it to AOL?
ROFLMAO
Yes, I will be there for the first copy, and I will see just how far it goes.....
harkm
08-23-2001, 01:51 PM
I absolutely hate the activation requirements of XP. I have installed Win 98 and NT many times on different hard drives and this XP restriction will definitely keep me with Win 98/NT 4.0/2000.
conjh13
08-23-2001, 02:10 PM
Well, as of the present, I have windows2000 and windows98SE installed. I will at some point install a beta version of windowsXP, and use it - for 14 days. After that it won't work. Because there is absolutely no way I will activate it. Period. Microsoft has absolutely no right to know what my hardware config is, and there is no way I'm going to tell them. If Billy Boy wants to know what I think about his activation scheme, let him know I said he can 'stick it where the sun don't shine'.
BBA
08-23-2001, 02:45 PM
You can turn off MP3 licensing. Activation sends no data to MS other than your serial number and enumerated hardware string ( just numbers with no information on what type hardware you have or anything )
I'm sure it won't take long for someone to defeat the whole activation process anyway.
( Of course I don't care because I get the licensing program version for free...no WPA to ever worry about ),
I'm sure it won't take long for someone to defeat the whole activation process anyway.
( Of course I don't care because I get the licensing program version for free...no WPA to ever worry about ),
moebius
08-23-2001, 02:54 PM
That was a good article. Not too much detail. I'm glad there were no benchmarks etc. I'm a little tired of seeing those. Every site that reviews something, has it's own benchmark and all of them are different; even using the same tools.
For those of you who are suspicious of micro$oft's intentions, read this other post on sysopt: http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/Forum1/HTML/000262.html
For those of you who are suspicious of micro$oft's intentions, read this other post on sysopt: http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/Forum1/HTML/000262.html
earnie86
08-23-2001, 03:00 PM
It is a good article. But having used win XP for the last couple of weeks; it is so stable and such a pleasure to use, I don't really mind the invasion of privacy.
Dputiger
08-23-2001, 03:32 PM
The differences between 2K and XP are largely cosmetic and ease-of-use--its fair to say that XP makes a # of things that are possible to do in XP easier, and of course, brings with it some new features and a GUI upgrade.
(and yes--I'm the guy that wrote the article in the first place) http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/smile.gif
(and yes--I'm the guy that wrote the article in the first place) http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/smile.gif
The_dude99
08-23-2001, 08:25 PM
Yeah windows XP is pretty great to me. I'm currently using 2600. I think It's pretty neat. I don't like how over loaded it is now with all kinds of menus and GUI's. But hey I know I'll be one of the first ones in the store when the retail hits the shelfs.
"It was the rug pissers man"
"It was the rug pissers man"
romaned
08-23-2001, 08:42 PM
Good article indeed. I have tried the OS myself or at least RC2 and I really like it. But with all the hassle installing and activating, and registering and redo all three, I do not know, I am happy with Me right now and could install and reinstall it without worrying about any activation or upgrade worries when I want to upgrade my PC.
It would be nice if the activation is taken away then it would be more likable.
It would be nice if the activation is taken away then it would be more likable.
sunofwolf
08-23-2001, 08:51 PM
This OS does not seem like a good deal, I download a lot of mp3 files and do not want microsoft monitoring my music , also I heard the price of a upgrade is at discount $200 for a upgrade-this is way too much. I spent $50 for the windows ME upgrade- but $200 is out of the question, I may switch to linx . Win Me is doing a ok job ,so I will just do nothing for a while- I think this is going to be a hard sell- .
superraton01
08-23-2001, 09:35 PM
Hugh port 80 activity log to microsoft's
ip addresses. No, i do not have auto
update activated, so it is not automatic update. Check it out when you run
win XP. I used the packet sniffer
commview3, a free download from www.tamos.com (http://www.tamos.com) . Looks to me like
microsnoop,ummmm, i mean microsoft isnt
all that concerned out asking
out permission before collecting lots
of data, maybe even keystroke by keystroke.
QUESTION:
whats the difference between winxp and
the QAZ trojan horse virus?
ANSWER;
i paid $10 to download winxp.
ip addresses. No, i do not have auto
update activated, so it is not automatic update. Check it out when you run
win XP. I used the packet sniffer
commview3, a free download from www.tamos.com (http://www.tamos.com) . Looks to me like
microsnoop,ummmm, i mean microsoft isnt
all that concerned out asking
out permission before collecting lots
of data, maybe even keystroke by keystroke.
QUESTION:
whats the difference between winxp and
the QAZ trojan horse virus?
ANSWER;
i paid $10 to download winxp.
JayPeg
08-24-2001, 12:14 AM
Very good article.
It certainly opened my eyes to a few more concerns that i had with the privacy issues. At this point I will not be a Win XP user.
MS is starting to sound a lot like BIG BROTHER. I'm not about to give up my privacy to old Billy Boy.
It certainly opened my eyes to a few more concerns that i had with the privacy issues. At this point I will not be a Win XP user.
MS is starting to sound a lot like BIG BROTHER. I'm not about to give up my privacy to old Billy Boy.
Nighthawk
08-24-2001, 12:58 AM
Would have been nice if he had talked about
1) User differences vs 2000 (is the upgrade worth it)
2) Benchmarks?
3) Does Windows Media do its licensing thing if you grab using Winamp / Audiograbber, or only WMP?
1) User differences vs 2000 (is the upgrade worth it)
2) Benchmarks?
3) Does Windows Media do its licensing thing if you grab using Winamp / Audiograbber, or only WMP?
mkehinde2
08-24-2001, 01:54 AM
Very good article.I have XP RC1 on my Home PC and Laptop @work.
But after reading this article no thanks to Windows XP.
I'll stick with W2K and ME
But after reading this article no thanks to Windows XP.
I'll stick with W2K and ME
Emc2
08-24-2001, 07:27 AM
Microsoft even wants to limit the amount of upgrading that a user can do. Well what if the user wants to upgrade to things as soon as they come out? Microsoft wants them to pay or give more information to keep the activation up.
One of the abilities WinXP blocked out is the ability to image a machine. There is no way I would install WinXP on 300 different machines using 300 different licenses from Microsoft. It's a pain as it is to get them to let us do it the way we do it. (ga southern university) Institutions is where Microsoft made money when win2k came out. Home users didn't really feel the need to go get another OS again but businesses did. Yet Microsoft wants the businesses to pay for seperate licenses for each install.
It's great security for them, but the entire activation thing has to be re-thought for institutions. It's only a matter of time before WinXP is cracked and microsoft has an excuse to be even more drastic in their security from piracy.
One of the abilities WinXP blocked out is the ability to image a machine. There is no way I would install WinXP on 300 different machines using 300 different licenses from Microsoft. It's a pain as it is to get them to let us do it the way we do it. (ga southern university) Institutions is where Microsoft made money when win2k came out. Home users didn't really feel the need to go get another OS again but businesses did. Yet Microsoft wants the businesses to pay for seperate licenses for each install.
It's great security for them, but the entire activation thing has to be re-thought for institutions. It's only a matter of time before WinXP is cracked and microsoft has an excuse to be even more drastic in their security from piracy.
oneman
08-24-2001, 08:00 AM
I know this isn't a warez board so please don't flame me...
The previous poster brings up an interesting point. It is just a matter of time before XP is cracked, is it then wrong to buy a copy and not register it? Probably, I'm sure MS's license agreement is not valid unless XP is registered...
Doesn't Office XP use the same protection scheme as WinXP? I believe a user is limited to 50 uses and then it has to be registered by hardware profiling...
On the issue of MicroSnoop... check out this site http://****microsoft.com , sorry for the foul language but it is required reading if privacy is a concern...
Another expense is upgrading any old programs that you use... My company replaced some of our notebooks with ones running win2k and now a lot of our programs will not run on the new OS. Not to mention printer drivers, I lost access to 4 of our office printers because of drivers...
oneman
The previous poster brings up an interesting point. It is just a matter of time before XP is cracked, is it then wrong to buy a copy and not register it? Probably, I'm sure MS's license agreement is not valid unless XP is registered...
Doesn't Office XP use the same protection scheme as WinXP? I believe a user is limited to 50 uses and then it has to be registered by hardware profiling...
On the issue of MicroSnoop... check out this site http://****microsoft.com , sorry for the foul language but it is required reading if privacy is a concern...
Another expense is upgrading any old programs that you use... My company replaced some of our notebooks with ones running win2k and now a lot of our programs will not run on the new OS. Not to mention printer drivers, I lost access to 4 of our office printers because of drivers...
oneman
Wombat
08-24-2001, 09:33 AM
After reading this brilliant article I am left wondering that with all this Microsoft activity to and from a machine, does it not leave that machine more susceptible to hacker or virus access. The one thing we don't need is more zombie machines for dos attacks.
Thank you.
Thank you.
pbharris
08-25-2001, 04:53 PM
Windows XP is irrelevant for me. That said: the article did not compare it to windows 2000 or any other OS in terms of perfomance.
It also did not address the large number of security holes which MS products typically have and if these have been addressed. I understand that XP will fianlly have a full TCP/IP stack installed and it appears to be borrowing from the BSD folks.
It also did not address the large number of security holes which MS products typically have and if these have been addressed. I understand that XP will fianlly have a full TCP/IP stack installed and it appears to be borrowing from the BSD folks.
Dputiger
08-25-2001, 06:28 PM
For those who had questions regarding Win2K / WinME comparisons:
WindowsXP is faster to boot than Win2K and feels just as responsive--in terms of Office work, gaming, etc, I felt no difference. I did not have time to run exhaustive benchmarks between the two, and the beta state of all of WinXP's drivers would make such comparisons difficult at best.
WindowsXP is faster to boot than Win2K and feels just as responsive--in terms of Office work, gaming, etc, I felt no difference. I did not have time to run exhaustive benchmarks between the two, and the beta state of all of WinXP's drivers would make such comparisons difficult at best.
bill1971
08-26-2001, 10:11 AM
I pre-ordered a full retail version of WinME
thinking I would receive the 2 lb. box,because, surely, for $170 I would get a
juicy manual,so I could learn more about this
OS. Well, no manual! I could have ordered an
OEM version for about $90.
If that wasn't bad enough,little did I realize that there was no driver support for
practically all of my components and peripherals.(25MB Soundblaster download,on
a dial-up connection!!).
So,Billy-boy screwed us over to the tune of
a few hundred million $ at least.
If we all stayed away from XP for at least
6 mos.,(which I plan to do), we could send
that billion-dollar Bozo a message!
There is strength in numbers...
thinking I would receive the 2 lb. box,because, surely, for $170 I would get a
juicy manual,so I could learn more about this
OS. Well, no manual! I could have ordered an
OEM version for about $90.
If that wasn't bad enough,little did I realize that there was no driver support for
practically all of my components and peripherals.(25MB Soundblaster download,on
a dial-up connection!!).
So,Billy-boy screwed us over to the tune of
a few hundred million $ at least.
If we all stayed away from XP for at least
6 mos.,(which I plan to do), we could send
that billion-dollar Bozo a message!
There is strength in numbers...
BBA
08-26-2001, 05:33 PM
One of the abilities WinXP blocked out is the ability to image a machine. There is no way I would install WinXP on 300 different machines using 300 different licenses from Microsoft. It's a pain as it is to get them to let us do it the way we do it. (ga southern university) Institutions is where Microsoft made money when win2k came out. Home users didn't really feel the need to go get another OS again but businesses did. Yet Microsoft wants the businesses to pay for seperate licenses for each install.
Not true.
If your company has the Select/Licensing program, you get a version called "Licensing" which has one activation number and no WPA. My company has that.
Not true.
If your company has the Select/Licensing program, you get a version called "Licensing" which has one activation number and no WPA. My company has that.
Reddog
08-26-2001, 06:48 PM
My problem with MS wasn't product activation, it was that XP is NT based. I heard that products that don't work with 2000 don't work XP. That got me pissed. Now theres this **** about liscensing, and I'm not going to buy. I'm just fine with 98se, bill...I'm not upgrading!
P.S. Good article
P.S. Good article
Reddog
08-26-2001, 06:48 PM
My problem with MS wasn't product activation, it was that XP is NT based. I heard that products that don't work with 2000 don't work XP. That got me pissed. Now theres this **** about liscensing, and I'm not going to buy. I'm just fine with 98se, bill...I'm not upgrading!
P.S. Good article
P.S. Good article
Dputiger
08-26-2001, 08:33 PM
Reddog,
I had ZERO compatibility problems with XP, save for the ones I dictated. Even pieces of equipment I had that did NOT work properly under 2K worked under XP.
Yes, XP is built on 2K, but remember--it IS designed to be the next gaming operating system, where 2K wasn't and was never marketed as such. What that means, even if you aren't a gamer, is even better compatibility--because hardcore techies usually are much more patient hunting for drivers and things than the casual user.
After almost seven years, it looks like plug-n-play is an actual reality.
I had ZERO compatibility problems with XP, save for the ones I dictated. Even pieces of equipment I had that did NOT work properly under 2K worked under XP.
Yes, XP is built on 2K, but remember--it IS designed to be the next gaming operating system, where 2K wasn't and was never marketed as such. What that means, even if you aren't a gamer, is even better compatibility--because hardcore techies usually are much more patient hunting for drivers and things than the casual user.
After almost seven years, it looks like plug-n-play is an actual reality.
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