AMD struggles to keep up with Intel

[randy48]

Come on...The Inquirer??????? For the past two years, AMD has plain and simple kicked Intel's little "blue dude's" @$$! If they've delayed releasing the newest, most powerful X86 processor the world has ever seen, it's because they won't release garbage (like someone we know...and later recall)!

Here's some facts:

Intel P4 1.3Ghz- cracks about 600 blocks per day RC5 Cost around $200

Amd 750 Duron OC@840 cracks about 875 blocks per day! Cost around $40

If I were an executive for Intel, I would be greatly ashamed!

[Pulsar]

I have not seen a recall on any of AMD's CPU's latley.

[nunyadam]

I do not think this will bother AMD's plans much. If you look at the market AMD is after you will find it is the budget minded user ,and small business market's. At this point in time why bother chasing the big corporation's who are firmly entrenched in Intel ? Large company's don't want to keep two different part's inventories it's not cost effective.
So they are going after the smaller user's with smaller budget's . Think about it there are more small company's than big one's. Some of these will eventually grow and need more cpu's and who do you think they will go with?
AMD's market share will keep on growing .If they continue to produce a quality product at a reasonable price I see no reason for the trend to change.


nunya

[caddmannq]

Hah! Someone at the Inquirer owns a lot of Intel stock, I'll wager. This is a blatant lie.

Look at the stock market performance of AMD v. Intel over the last year. AMD is kicking Intel's ****! Wahooo!

Can you tell who's stock I bought?

[Hellmund]

AMD may be struggling to get a market share in the high-end market but it ain't the technology that's the problems. The people who use technology are like nanyadam said entrenched in intel but if they keep producing quality products then it is only a matter of time until intel loses the high-end foot-hold it has.

[SoopaStar]

But, first to market usually means alot in this business. If intel makes it to .13, .10 and .07 micron thickness before AMD does, that means faster, cooler, more dense processors. Not saying AMD doesn't have a chance...but if intel gets there first...
Also, nunyadam: AMD is trying to squeeze out of the home PC gamer system area and into the business world. That is where the money is. While home users do make a decent percentage of the systems sold in the US, a larger % is the corporate world.
Also, the inquirer has often been correct. Like the register, they get their 'rumors' from inside sources. Don't brush them off because they sound like the tabloid magazine at your local grocery store http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/wink.gif
Paul

[SoopaStar]

Randy
as discussed in the distributing forum, the rc5 and p4 are not a match made in heaven. I dont think that rc5 stats directly reflect regular business use either. I do agree that the athlon is a faster processor as far as most benchmarks show...but totally dismissing intel--a company with a much strong bank account--would be a little premature.
Paul

[Haggis2001]

GO AMD!
I know what I'm using now and I know what I will be using tommorow.
I don't have mega bucks and I don't use my computer for business nor am I a big game player at the same time I beleive that Intel is overated.
This is only my opinion I have no facts or inside knowledge except what I have seen for myself.
I don't see the reason to blow big $ when for less money I can have something as good even if I have to wait abit longer.

Haggis http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/smile.gif

[Crot^^^]

give me a break AMD is in no way hurt intel may have managed to wipe out the cyrix chip but they underestimated AMD and they are here to stay as for AMD moving the release date that's fine with me I'd rather wait a few weeks or months for a chip that I don't have to worry about getting recalled then to make build a few machines and sell them to customers then later getting the recall Intel has lied to there customers from day one chk out the below link it's a real good article worth a read www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm (http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm)


laters
Crot^^^

[This message has been edited by Crot^^^ (edited 06-15-2001).]

[zskillz]

something that you're not understanding soopastar is that with .13 micron SOI technology (if this is indeed the truth), AMD will be able to reach clock speeds well beyond what a current technology can even at .10 and .07 micron.

there is plenty of reading available on SOI technology, and I would suggest any of you who care to know why this technology is so impressive do some reading!

i believe that this is a wise move on AMD's part, as it seems that we will be prolonging the life of silicon for some time when everyone switches their fab processes to this.

-Z

[LemonHead]

I say we ALL ditch puntuation a la Crot^^...

In terms of money making intel could well be creaming AMD for all i know, but in terms of performance AMD punts Intel sideways

[Morp]

HELLO?!? Did anyone forget the BIGGEST differense between the Hammer series and the Intel set? x86! That's right, when the hammer series comes out, it is proof of AMD's continuing support of a long-established standard, and *full speed* backwards compatibility.

The P-4, well, as any good technician in this business knows, was a flop for intel. Yes yes, the 1.7Ghz out-does the athlon 1.33 but what would happen should AMD take it to the limit, and pump out a 1.7?

BEYOND that, and back to the original point, the Itanium and IA64. DO you honestly think that big corporations are going to change thier whole damned program base just because Intel was too anal to continue to fully support the x86 line? x86-64 support will be the real winning round for AMD, and I for one, am more than willing to let AMD delay the hammer series a week, or a month or a year, as long as I don't have to radically shift my program base to meet a changing processor architecture. And they can delay this line, and the next, and the next after that, but as long as the product quality is still the same, there is no reasn NOT to support AMD, and no reason the IT world wouldn't. After all, the true battle is coming: IA-64 vs x86-64 Keep THAT boat sighted on the horizon, as it is approaching faster than you may suspect.

[Hellmund]

Amd is definitely here to stay, so long as intel continues it's current pricing scheme then Amd is just going to get stronger and stronger, oh and Morp, the Athlon-C 1.33ghz still beats the P4 1.7ghz in most applications that don't demand huge memory bandwidth. AMD builds better processors, cheaper than intel, even if intel makes it to 0.07 micron just as AMD makes it to 0.13 SOI, the 2Ghz T-bird will probaly still beat a 3ghz P4 for probaly half the price. Over here in Aus, a PIII 1ghz is just under double the price of a 1ghz T-bird and the T-bird will beat it badly at EVERYTHING...

[zerghero]

omg plz hep me stop laughing amd lose to intel lol! Everyone knows amd could kick intels **** any day of the week. The fact is amd knows what they r doing they keep there prices dow while producing smae speed chips.
You cannont have a better strategy then that so i dont think amd si anywhere sloe to falling to intel. Are u sure u read that story correct? Sure it wasnt the other way around http://www.sysopt.com/news/gws/cdata/smile.gif

[KilluH!]

Yeh the Inquirer deffinately has a bug up Intel's ****. They are always slandering AMD with little snippets and doo dads from obscure places.

Its guerilla marketing plain and simple.

Im glad that theres allot of people who can see through the bull.

J

[MrMike]

To Morp: Very well stated and SO VERY true. The costs associated with changing to a new program base would be astronomical. Could it possibly be that Mr. Gates exercised some of his well known influence at Intel to make it possible for MS to create new software? I find it rather difficult to believe that Intel would choose this route on its own.