surrealchereal
08-26-2001, 07:47 PM
I know this is a tough question to answer in type. But how should your clutch feel? Where should it grab? How much tension should it have?
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flash4master
08-26-2001, 07:56 PM
the feel pretty much depends on the car. i have heard of different clutches feeling different in the same car. my car grabs about 1/2, 3/4 of the way up and has a light to medium pressure...on the other hand, i drove the same car a year newer and the clutch felt totally different...each car is different...does the clutch on the contour still work like it did before? are you just feeling a different pedal pressure or what?
surrealchereal
08-26-2001, 08:17 PM
New one, and I don't like it one bit.
But I'm not going to say how it feels yet. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
But I'm not going to say how it feels yet. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
BBA
08-26-2001, 09:46 PM
Thats the bad thing about new clucthes...you don't know what it's gonna feel like until after you change it.
I have found I like Centerforce clutches feel better than most any other, but thats from a hot rodder point of view.
I have found I like Centerforce clutches feel better than most any other, but thats from a hot rodder point of view.
CMonster
08-27-2001, 07:34 AM
If you are talking about at what point in the peddle travel your clutch is fully engauged -that can usually be adjusted to suit your taste.
When it comes to clutch peddle adjustment I like "in the middle" (actually I like them just sooner, at about 1/3 peddle travel).
The clutch peddle should not have to be pressed all the way down before the clutch disengauges; the clutch should also not disengauge at the slightest touch of the peddle either.
If you are talking about the way the clutch "feels" when it engauges, this can depend on many things and may change greatly as the clutch wears-in.
Factors can include: whether or not the flywheel was resurfaced, the new/reconditioned pressure plate assembly, and especially the friction material/brand of clutch, as BBA suggested.
Not bragging, I'm no expert. I don't know it all, but here is my background:
CMonster - 19 years professional automotive experience, working last 10 years as an auto, truck, and equipment mechanic for the city of Los Angeles, including 8-years Department of Water and Power (current), 2 years LAPD building "Black & White" patrol units and other specialized vehicles.
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When it comes to clutch peddle adjustment I like "in the middle" (actually I like them just sooner, at about 1/3 peddle travel).
The clutch peddle should not have to be pressed all the way down before the clutch disengauges; the clutch should also not disengauge at the slightest touch of the peddle either.
If you are talking about the way the clutch "feels" when it engauges, this can depend on many things and may change greatly as the clutch wears-in.
Factors can include: whether or not the flywheel was resurfaced, the new/reconditioned pressure plate assembly, and especially the friction material/brand of clutch, as BBA suggested.
Not bragging, I'm no expert. I don't know it all, but here is my background:
CMonster - 19 years professional automotive experience, working last 10 years as an auto, truck, and equipment mechanic for the city of Los Angeles, including 8-years Department of Water and Power (current), 2 years LAPD building "Black & White" patrol units and other specialized vehicles.
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Speedo2
08-27-2001, 08:26 AM
Standard adjustment used to be 1" to 1 1/2"
of freeplay so that the clutch is sure to have maximum engagement!!
Speedo2
of freeplay so that the clutch is sure to have maximum engagement!!
Speedo2
surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 10:53 AM
They say they used Ford parts.
They clutch catches at the top of the peddle.
It doesn't have any tension. Every time I push it in, it just goes wham, right to the floor. He said it's because the pressure plate is new and doesn't have any grooves in it yet. It feels like a clutch on an old Volkswagen, does that make any sense?
I guess mainly its the lack of tension on it, that and it's at the top of the peddle.
The lack of tension makes it not have the kind of control I expect.
They clutch catches at the top of the peddle.
It doesn't have any tension. Every time I push it in, it just goes wham, right to the floor. He said it's because the pressure plate is new and doesn't have any grooves in it yet. It feels like a clutch on an old Volkswagen, does that make any sense?
I guess mainly its the lack of tension on it, that and it's at the top of the peddle.
The lack of tension makes it not have the kind of control I expect.
surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 10:57 AM
If you are talking about the way the clutch "feels" when it engages, this can depend on many things and may change greatly as the clutch wears-in.
That's exactly what the guy said.
As for your credentials cmonster...
your common sense you have always displayed, and life knowledge is plenty for me. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
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That's exactly what the guy said.
As for your credentials cmonster...
your common sense you have always displayed, and life knowledge is plenty for me. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
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surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 11:16 AM
Gees shows ya what I know.. ! I thought they all had a cable! I don't know I know it can't be adjusted, hmmm that means no cable right? thats why they are saying its fine becuause it's going to have to be torn down again to be fixed isnt it?
Should I stop payment on the check until its cleared up to my satisfaction?
Should I stop payment on the check until its cleared up to my satisfaction?
CMonster
08-27-2001, 03:11 PM
It doesn't have any tension. Every time I push it in, it just goes wham, right to the floor
This is definately a problem! It sounds like the clutch hydraulic system needs to be repaired -I'd bet there is either a leak or the repair shop got air in the system when they had it apart and it needs to be bled.
caddmannq is right in saying "BS" on the repair shop:
I'd give them one more chance to fix it, but if it is not done correctly at no additional charge then call consumer affairs -the number must be clearly posted in all automotive repair shops in California.
You will get your money back through consumer affairs if the job is not done properly.
This is definately a problem! It sounds like the clutch hydraulic system needs to be repaired -I'd bet there is either a leak or the repair shop got air in the system when they had it apart and it needs to be bled.
caddmannq is right in saying "BS" on the repair shop:
I'd give them one more chance to fix it, but if it is not done correctly at no additional charge then call consumer affairs -the number must be clearly posted in all automotive repair shops in California.
You will get your money back through consumer affairs if the job is not done properly.
richamies
08-27-2001, 03:32 PM
A hydraulic clutch is like hydraulic brakes - if there is a leak in the system, and the pedal feels unresponsive, it can often be improved by pumping the pedal. Go out to your car, fire it up, make sure it's in neutral. Now sit there and pump the clutch for 30 seconds or so - does the pedal travel get firmer?
I'm definately not a mechanic, but I've done a fair bit of work on my car and friends cars. Obviously, take the advice of others above mine as they probably have a more educated guess http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.
--Rich
I'm definately not a mechanic, but I've done a fair bit of work on my car and friends cars. Obviously, take the advice of others above mine as they probably have a more educated guess http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.
--Rich
surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 03:41 PM
Ah yes pumping it would cause pressure to build up in the lines right?
Would driveing it do that?
I know there is no leak, or the garage would tell me that story. I'll go down and ck it this afternoon.. Right now I have a pie in the oven http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif got a door to fix http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
Would driveing it do that?
I know there is no leak, or the garage would tell me that story. I'll go down and ck it this afternoon.. Right now I have a pie in the oven http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif got a door to fix http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
BBA
08-27-2001, 03:53 PM
Sureal...ford hydraulic clutches are known to feel like total **** when first installed, even with repeated bleedings to get the air out. They seem to fix themselves overnight. They are also known for being defective.
If it is rear wheel drive, you have to remove the trans to replace the clutch slave cylinder, since it is a cylinder that mounts over and around the trans input shaft.
If it is rear wheel drive, you have to remove the trans to replace the clutch slave cylinder, since it is a cylinder that mounts over and around the trans input shaft.
surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 04:34 PM
If it is rear wheel drive, you have to remove the trans to replace the clutch slave cylinder, since it is a cylinder that mounts over and around the trans input shaft.
Actually it's a transverse front engine with front wheel drive.
But, I'm glad you took the time to post BBA, cause the clutch felt better on the way home from the store just now. I thought "what's the matter with your brain woman??.!!" I engaged it a few times, and it still felt puny but not nearly so bad.. I was wondering if I had the loose screw and not the clutch.
Actually it's a transverse front engine with front wheel drive.
But, I'm glad you took the time to post BBA, cause the clutch felt better on the way home from the store just now. I thought "what's the matter with your brain woman??.!!" I engaged it a few times, and it still felt puny but not nearly so bad.. I was wondering if I had the loose screw and not the clutch.
surrealchereal
08-27-2001, 04:41 PM
but clean the filler cap & open it up & check the fluid anyhow. There should be a full mark on the reservoir, and you may not have to open it to check, as they are usually translucent plastic, nowadays.
Thanks CaddmannQ, You don't know how much I appreciate this. I'm going down to ck now.
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Thanks CaddmannQ, You don't know how much I appreciate this. I'm going down to ck now.
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surrealchereal
08-28-2001, 01:49 AM
ah yes it is hydralic (sp?) I'm taking it back over there tomorrow.
have an adjustable link or rod right at the release lever on the bell housing.
he said they may have to adjust it at the bell housing,, your saying that makes me feel better,. I didn't trust him, still don't but I feel better about this.
thanks CaddmannQ http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
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have an adjustable link or rod right at the release lever on the bell housing.
he said they may have to adjust it at the bell housing,, your saying that makes me feel better,. I didn't trust him, still don't but I feel better about this.
thanks CaddmannQ http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
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surrealchereal
08-28-2001, 05:38 PM
CaddmannQ, Well the fluid was ok,,
but it seems out of the blue to be working better than I can remember it. I gotta say it,,
BBA, Ya called it dude.. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
Just pushed it in and it was there just like it should have been, and now the tension it there I have got controll and it's shifting better (ahem in rapid acceleration) than I ever remember! I find this amazing! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
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but it seems out of the blue to be working better than I can remember it. I gotta say it,,
BBA, Ya called it dude.. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
Just pushed it in and it was there just like it should have been, and now the tension it there I have got controll and it's shifting better (ahem in rapid acceleration) than I ever remember! I find this amazing! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
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surrealchereal
08-28-2001, 05:44 PM
I also just want to say how much I appreciate everyone when you all pitch in to give ole auntie surreal some advice when she's having a problem. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif I deeply appreciate it. <IMG SRC="http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/kao/otn/pangel4.gif" border=0>
Warthog
08-28-2001, 06:01 PM
Wow, now we have the Power Puff Winged Creature in a go cart.
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