Hey Anyone up to make some SysOpt Case Badges?

[AuraEdge]

I saw these at HardOCP and I thought HEY that would look REAL cool.
Anyone with some CG experience want to conjure up some picture? (1 Inch square). Then if it looks good, and enough people want them, we can get them made (think they make em in lots of 100) and sell em to our fellow members...and whoever makes it can make a tiny profit out of the selling em.


Anyone wanna bite?

[LJJones]

I wouldnt mind one, count me in.

[AuraEdge]

If anyone can make one that looks pretty good, Ill get 5.

[Gutter Ball]

I'd buy 5-10 too! I don't like to advertise "free" for the store I bought it from. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[barry glisson]

count me in also how about some t shirts. profit to spec olympics or some other charity. this way we can recognize each other at shows & swap meets etc. barry

[wtp]

stoopid question, but what's CG?

wtp http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[Ed_S]

There appears to be a market here, Scott!!
Maybe Earthweb should do something, since they hold the copyrights.... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

I'd go for a coffee mug.

Ed

[Warthog]

I'd go for a mug too. Great to hold my pens in near my computer http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

I'm serious. Someone should do this. I think it would be better if Earthweb did this though.

Warthog

[oxOGradiusOxo]

I'm actually pretty handy with Photoshop5 and Illustrator 8. I work in a print shop and am going to school this fall for graphic design. I've done quite a bit of designing, and am becoming pretty popular in my area.

I'd be happy to do it, or at least take a shot at it. If you'd like to see anything on it, let me know. I'll post what I've come up with this week.

If everyone likes it (including SysOpt) I'll give SysOpt full rights to the image to use as they see fit. They don't have to pay me anything, yadda yadda yadda. I'd just love to get to work on designing this. I'm just trying to give back someone to the board that's given my so much (why do I sound like a Hallmark card?)


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[brandon184]

I have an idea on how they make t-shirts with logos on them, but how on earth do they put logos on coffee cups?

[pickel]

How about an emblem for my El Camino. On the tailgate " Overclocked at Sysopt's" with a crossed flags underneath!!! *****in" !!!!!
Case badge would be cool. I'll take at least three. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif Tee shirts and ball caps too..

the pickel

[Wiz]

wtp, Computer graphics.

[jad1097]

I want some that say STUFF INSIDE or AMD INSIDE.

[noresull]

Count me in for a couple of badges and mugs!

John

[Dave_H]

Sounds like a great idea. Count me in!
Dave

[oxOGradiusOxo]

ok, i was doing some brainstorming and was wondering what single word could describe sysopt and the message board. 'overclocked'
Then I got to thinking. What images come to mind when you think of overclocking.. hmm, CPUs, video cards, etc. These are all obvious and overdone, and I want something original. Then it hit me... hampsters!

It's the best combination of what sysopt stands for with a little side joke for all those participants in the overclocking the hampster thread a while back.

I've done some parliminary sketches to get a feel for the look. I'll scan and post those soon. It basically has a little hampster running his heart out of a hampster wheel. There are all kinds of wires and gizmos hooked up to the wheel running to a computer. A digital counter sits besides the wheel reading 999.5Mhz. The top of the image reads something like "Come on, just a little more..." The phrase kinda carries a double meaning for the hampster and for sysopt in general. I know we are all trying to get "just a little more" out of our system. Plus, I know us computer geeks would love to get to the big 1Ghz. The computer screen reads "overclocked @ sysopt.com"

all these elements can be changed of course, but this is why it's called brainstorming.
I'll try and have the sketches done tonight.



[This message has been edited by oxOGradiusOxo (edited 05-14-2000).]

[jadison]

I;m in too. Sounds like a great idear! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
I'll take a coulple t-shirts, a few mousepads, a couple mugs, maybe a pen & pencil, magnets, am I going a little overboard here?!? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif
I like the t-shirt idea, I always run 5K or 10K's in Austin, TX and purchase the shirts which have a whole bunch of sponsors: mostly computer companys, a 5K or 10K run would be a great charity!


Nice idea there oxOGradiusOxo, pretty funny too!

-jd-

[RCN_Moose]

Count me in, I think its a cool idea.

Moose http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif

[SysOpt]

It's a good idea, I'll run it by the folks "upstairs".


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[daveleau]

I'm in! Let me have 2.
Dave

[Stan]

Heheee... good idea !!!
Will you deliver in UK ????

Stan

[Ultima]

Mughty good idea!!!

If they come out, I'll have one of each!!
That is then a mug, t-shirt etc.

BTW, would I even be able to get one then, since I live in Holland????

I mean, shipping fee would cost waayyyy more then all the stuff together!!

Pim.

[psyklone]

i'd go for some sysopt gear for sure count me in!

[AuraEdge]

I didnt expect this many responses, but the more the better!

Heres some ideas (http://64.27.77.160/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000308.html) from the HardOCP forums...Im more in for a cool look or funny look than a serious techy look.
I really dont know how to go about this, but I like the ideas started at the HardOCP forum. 3d effects are ALWAYS cool.

[buddmann]

Count me in also.

buddmann

[skywalker[TSG]]

this is a great idea

i would like these things

T-shirt
mug
stickers
badges
watch
and some other stuff that i have not thought out yet

[Gutter Ball]

Okay, these are all great ideas...but WHO'S gonna make them up for us? Anybody know anybody who does that kind of stuff?

[SoopaStar]

Count me in too!! I'll take badges, Tshirt and maybe a coffe mug...(How about a beer cozy or a beer mug?). I know of some screen printing places and I found this place for badges: http://www.computernameplates.com/
Its kinda funny that I just read this forum, cause I was looking at badges yesterday thinking "I need one for the four computers I just built, hrmm..." If someone comes up with a logo for us, I would be happy to do the ordering for the badges. I can take payments thru paypal.

Paul
edit:
Granted that 1) earthweb doesn't sue for copy-right infringement 2) it would be stupid to do so..nothing like pissing off the people who use your board and want to advertise it for free!

[This message has been edited by SoopaStar (edited 05-16-2000).]

[buddmann]

Here are a couplr of more sites that make badges etc.http://www.nationaldecal.com/products.htm http://www.mark-it.net/prcstmlb.htm http://www.fontastic-nameplates.com/nameplat.htm http://www.nationaldecal.com/products.htm
hope this helps,

buddmann

[buddmann]

Here are a couple of more sites that make badges etc.http://www.nationaldecal.com/products.htm http://www.mark-it.net/prcstmlb.htm http://www.fontastic-nameplates.com/nameplat.htm http://www.nationaldecal.com/products.htm
hope this helps,

buddmann

[oxOGradiusOxo]

moved pic

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[Target]

Cool idea Ox, and a nice graphic too the way it is!

You might want to consider leaving the needle out though.....that way, when people get them, they can draw in the line corresponding to the speed they reached with the particular CPU/box they stick it on (just a thought).

Maybe you could add a red-line type of deal too similar to those found on tachometers for speeds 800Mhz and above <lol>.

[This message has been edited by Target (edited 05-16-2000).]

[oxOGradiusOxo]

Very good idea Target.
That's why I thought I should post what I had, so that the Sysopt users could tell me what they'd like to see.
Consider this like "beta-testing" http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Amarok]

cool job oxOGradiusOxo keep up the great work

[AuraEdge]

Lol..I think the redline should start at 800, and then needle should go PAST 1000, kinda like breaking point
Great Preliminary pic tho!

Sumthin to keep in mind...dont stuff to many things in there that you dont need (like a hamspter http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif). This all hasta fit on a 1 inch square.

Again, Im really glad we got a resident Comp graphic person like you, Grad. (or do u prefer Ox? I never thought of calling u Ox, since the OXO is just 'name buffer', but everyone else seems to)

[SoopaStar]

Just so you all know, I did email Scott and he sent the email regarding the goods to the proper people at earthweb. Don't know if I was supposed to mention this part or not, but earthweb will be emphasizing more of "earthweb" than "sysopt" due to a redesign of the Sysopt.com site. Guess I or we will have to wait to hear what the guru's @ earthweb have to say.

Paul

[Biff]

Neat job oxOGradiusOxo, looks sharp, simple but eye catching!

[thekingofpain]

Yep looks pretty cool, beats my old skull and crossbones sticker http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[brandon184]

Good Idea! I think some t-shirts would especially be cool.

[oxOGradiusOxo]

you can just call me gradius. it's been my handle since I was old enough to log onto BBSes through my 14.4 modem ::sigh::

you're right about the "oxO" though. I lost my password to "gradius" on the board a while back, and since I changed e-mail addresses... there ya go.

if anyone has any more ideas or something else they'd like to see, let me know. I have 2 AP placement exams tomorrow, but I'm ready for both (AP Stat and AP English) I'm anxious to get some more done on this.

(also working on my senior t-shirt design as well.. here's a picture of what it looks like. it's being sent off to the printers today! i know you can't read the names, but i had to reduce the file size for bandwidth.. hey i'm on dialup too http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

http://www.virtualtrends.com/gradius/lookie.jpg

[cyclone2]

Hi Gradius Ive sent you an Email of a design I did, If you like it could you post it for me Thanks
PS you should like it lol

[Mntsnow]

Nice work! Gradius http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif count me in for LOTS of the goodies http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif


Mntsnow

[AuraEdge]

Good save - I forgot about the Legalities http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Anyone wanna post anything preliminary?
Ill try and whip up something myself, just to get us started. I really have NO experience with CG whatsoever, but I can learn quick http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

[oxOGradiusOxo]

I'm posting this picture for Cyclone2!

http://www.virtualtrends.com/gradius/ham.jpg

[barry glisson]

i like it, any more? barry

[Warthog]

VERY nice work, everybody!!! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif I'm impressed.

The t-shirts, mugs, etc. should DEFINATELY be produced - when/if it is ok with Earthweb http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif. I think most, if not all, would buy several. Sysopt is like a second home to me http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif. I would proudly display the material around my computer. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[FrozenLiquidity]

mmm, such a good idea, I wonder how long it will take me to make senior member, after all, I am quite active. Anyway, I'm with you too on this thing. If it does happen, I'll get 10-20 of em' heh heh!

FrozenLiquidity


Edit-> wait wait!!! we could have SysOpt hats too!!! That would be awesome! Then mabye SysOpt pins, SysOpt monitor stickers, SysOpt mousepads even!!! tons of SysOpt gear, Muhahahaha, SysOpt keychains, SysOpt windows loading screen, SysOpt desktop pattern, mabye SysOpt placemats and SysOpt banannas! and mabye mabye, I am getting a bit carried away...

Heh, still lots of SysOpt gear would bee cool. Would certianly get some of my friends to join the forums.

[This message has been edited by FrozenLiquidity (edited 05-17-2000).]

[SoopaStar]

that was post #113 as of when I checked. you need 500 for senior and 1000 for ultimate.

Paul

[Mntsnow]

actually it takes 501 and 1001 to make the switch-over of status but then who's counting http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif LOL

Mntsnow

[cyclone2]

heh they need to come up with a new classification for you Mntsnow aye?
Maybe super-duper ultimate member or maybe OWNER! lol

[AuraEdge]

That Ketchup Packet! Stroke of genious! I like it http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Yep Grad, I remember when you were still Gradius (way back when), so I always called u that.
Cyclone, I can get that pic posted if u want, just email it to me.

[TonyWatt]

Great idea.
Count me in for badges, stickers, mugs etc.

[LJJones]

Has SysOpt actually said that theyre gonna be made? I'm waiting for him to say something.

I would love some sysopt stuff, but can it be delivered all the way to the UK?

[Target]

Cyclone, that was a great pic....very funny and well done! You and Gradius are doing some fine work!!

[oxOGradiusOxo]

updated my idea!
it's finally starting to come together. it seems like it's taken forever to get finish, but i've actually only worked on it for 2 hours. those 2 hours however have been over the course of a few days http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[narayan]

I'm in http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[SDT]

I'll definately take a bunch of hamster case badges and a couple of mugs. This is a great idea.

[oxOGradiusOxo]

Does anyone have any word if we'll be able to do this?

I was also wondering, since I'm not actually using a sysopt or earthweb logo in my design, just the website name, can that be considered copyright infringment?

[SoopaStar]

See my post from the top of page two. Scott (sysopt) has no say in when and of the badges can be made. Earthweb owns the rights, slogans, etc of sysopt.com. It is up to them. If people awnt to produce them (which I personally do...) we could be liable for copyright infringement. Scott is talking to the 'right people' about it.
I personally feel that if they don't want us to make them, then its wrong on their part. This is a communitty of computer people, and saying, "No, you can't make it w/o us getting a profit from it" would spoil the outlook on this site (for me anyways). Websites are a dime-a-dozen now-a-days. too choose one that you like to participate in/with and feel an attachment to is to the advantage of the site. Wanting to offer 'free' advertising to that site is also a bonus to them. Making money off a good feeling from the users is a bad thing http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif . Just my two cents.
Paul C

[SoopaStar]

I just visited earthweb.com and found this link from their privacy page:
[url\http://www.earthweb.com/about_us/permissions_request.html[/url]
I filled it out and will keep you all posted regarding any information I recieve from them. If anyone knows of a page that will do a Poll or Survey type thing that we can get an esitmated number of orders or peole interested, that woudl probably help this along. Also, I would like to take charge of part of it, if no one else wants to. I think a good judgement of prices would be something like:
computer badges: $1-2 depending on qty initially ordered
T-Shirts: mostplaces will do them for $11-15 depending on no. of colors adn tshirt quality (I like good quality to high quality cotton shirts..no cheap "Hanes" undershirts.
Mugs: I would assume $8-12 depending ons style and colors used.
I can't think of anything else people may want.

Paul C.
EDIT:
Oh, and I would assume we coudl do shipping via priority mail envelops for larger items which is $3.20 US$ and for badges I would assume shipping would be $0.32 up to a buck depending on amount shipped and type of envelope style. Also, on their privacy pages, if anyone wants to read their privacy statement, its at http://www.earthweb.com/about_us/perm.html . Thanks.--PC

[This message has been edited by SoopaStar (edited 05-18-2000).]

[oxOGradiusOxo]

I'll just make myself a few case badges from my design. I think that's ok. I don't think they should be that expensive even if I buy a few.

http://www.virtualtrends.com/gradius/sysopt.jpg

[SysOpt]

I'm not a lawyer but it's my guess that sysopt.com is a trademarked name. Believe me, I WANT us to be able to do this. I'm still talking with Earthweb folks and making progress. If we can agree on a design for one or more product types (badge, mug, shirt, etc.) we might be able to get EarthWeb to pay for the cost of creating some for those here who want them. Course, they might be willing to do them large scale and sell them through the site, but that's what I'm discussing.

In any event, regarding the permissions submission, it ended up coming back to me. EW can't grant permission until a final design is submitted for each product type. If everyone can agree on one, and the designer can email me the full sized uncompressed PSD or .TIF, we can go from there.

Scott

[Mntsnow]

I vote for Gradius's last one! I love it http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

ps. Gradius can you Email me the file So I can play with it a touch too?

[FrozenLiquidity]

Good luck Scott!!!

FrozenLiquidity

[oxOGradiusOxo]

I just don't want you to think I'm acting "stuck-up" about it. My graphic design skills are very limited, and I've never really designed anything professionly recongiziable. What little I have done, I am however proud of.

[daveleau]

Hey I like it Gradius. I hope this goes through. I would gladly wear/post the insignia.
Dave

[Warthog]

Me too http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

I think that when we/if we narrow it down to a few pics for certain items, there should be an official poll set up on the website to choose which one.

Warthog

[SoopaStar]

http://www.vetsoftware.com/sysopt/index.html

Pleae go vote! If you would like your graphic included in the poll, let me know, or if you haev another product idea that we could use, let me know. I figured thsi may help give sysopt.com a heads up on what they could use. If you have any ideas, questions, etc. please email me: [email]paul@vetsoftware.com[url]

Paul C.
edit:
looks like that link doesnt quite work. here is the actual poll:
http://apps3.vantagenet.com/zsv/survey.asp?special=generic&sameserver=1&id=1519155148 PC

[This message has been edited by SoopaStar (edited 05-19-2000).]

[AuraEdge]

VERY nice!
I like it too!
I think if you make the text a little bigger, for at least the case badges..
That logo, as it is, would look real good on any bigger merchandise, but on a case, text might be a squinter...know what I mean?

[oxOGradiusOxo]

Mntsnow, under most situations I would be more than happy to, BUT..
A while back I drew this starcraft battle screen (terran ghost and zerg hydralisk) for a website contest. I got most of the way done (scanned in and coloring/shading) but I never got around to finishing it. I posted it on my webpage for some friends of mine to see... well, someone copied my picture, finished coloring it, and submitted it as original artwork under their name. They won 3rd place and a meager Starcraft Stratgey guide. I wrote to the contest officals, explained the situation, and they took his name down (although they sent hinm the guide already)

Long story short and I'm definitely not implying you would do this (i trust you sysopt peeps) it's just that ever since then I've been protecting my images like my own children. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Mntsnow]

Hey Not a prob....I can respect that http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[surrealchereal]

OK, so what happened? Where are all the images on and off of sysopt? What did I miss? Did the lawyers get here? There seemed to be so much enthusiasm and then

[Mortis]

I am curious also as to whatever happened to this idea... It sounded good. There was the thread one year ago- ALIVE AND ENTHUSIASTIC... then gone... whatever happened?

Mortis

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[Mntsnow]

WEll...Since this thread was started over a year ago SysOpt was sold to Internet.com and other things have occured so I have no idea of if or when something like this could happen...

[robin801]

count me in on the deal. one question though. how can i view the pic?
robin

[Andy_L]

I was wondering who dredged this up.

[Warthog]

Surreal is on a Mission from God to free all the old threads from tyranny and aggression.

Realistically speaking, this will probably never happen because Sysopt is so huge. The only time it will happen (IMO) would be if Sysopt themselves hired out a private contractor to make apparel for them and sell it on their website.

Warthog

[madfish]

I'll take 6 bages,a mug and probley a couple of T-Shirts also if this can happen. This is a great idear!

[1Old Fart]

Well there was only 2 submissions for case badges, mine being one of them and I believe Gradius having the other. We had a couple good threads on it but we never got permission at the time to do it http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif
If you want to see mine- top left of page http://www.geocities.com/f1finishline/back_room.html http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by 1Old **** (edited 05-26-2001).]

[fshanda]

I would also be interisted in a few badges, a couple of cups and a few shirts. Who is going to be taking the orders?
Very good idea.

Fshanda

[surrealchereal]

Wart!! Ya got me on that one! I really think we are such a close "community" many of us would love to have another symbol of our camaraderie. I sure would. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[Mortis]

Thanks for the info MntSnow... if it could be done or worked out- it would be cool...

Mortis

[Mortis]

(double post, my apologies for the space http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif )

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[CMonster]

1Old **** - the hamster in the wheel is hilarious!

It looks like the SysOpt logo "gif" is a bit blurry (due to compression?) perhaps you didn't flatten (merge?) the layers of the gif before using it?

Perhaps most of you saw this but here was a humble suggestion on my part: <IMG SRC="http://www.dslextreme.com/users/cmonster3/syscasebadge.jpg" border=0>

Image had been intentionally defaced by CMonster - let's keep things on the legal.

[This message has been edited by CMonster (edited 06-12-2001).]

[surrealchereal]

Hey, thekingofpain! are you going to stay silent?? hmmmm?

[thekingofpain]

I proposed an idea to Scott via email, 100% wide open as far as bringing it to fruition as ive the time and energy to "put it together" cheap to make, simple to mail, I have some from Directron http://www.directron.com/labels.html that are high quality and any proceeds accordingly could be donated thru a member decision which of course could be a good thing, something hung up the first attempt, can we work thru it somehow???

[surrealchereal]

Great, I hope we can get this going. I think the case badges you can get done are awesome! If there was a request for T-shirts and it's soon enough (while I'm still a lady of leisure) I could help or do that. I would love to have a cute tank top with Cmonsters logo on it, (and me).

[SysOpt]

I was making progress with EarthWeb towards opening a SysOpt store (or re-opening the store actually), and selling SysOpt goods, but I haven't checked with internet.com yet. My feeling is that it won't be easy.

Granting permission to others to use the SysOpt name/logo on merchandise is a tricky area since it deprives SysOpt of revenue should we choose to sell those goods, but at the same time I definitely understand everyones desire to have some cool SysOpt stuff / case badges etc.

I'll see what I can do, but a resolution may be months away unfortunately.

[surrealchereal]

Actually, I'm starting to lean more towards a small tattoo......
hee heeeee!

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[Haggis2001]

This sounds great don't forget to make them availible to as downunder I'll have one of any thing you guys can come up with.
Haggis

[Hellmund]

Yeh that could be a problems getting em here down-under, that's US$5.95 P&H at least for a 50c badge, maybe we could arrange a bulk order should scott get through the legalities involved?

[Andy_L]

I think a lot of folks are interested, but there are some initial set-up things that would have to be done first. Once we agree on a design (I am willing to go with the flow on the design) the simplest thing would be:
1; find a person we trust implicitly to do the transactions
2; find a reasonable profit point, after all, this person will have to put some serious time/effort into setting it all up.
3; have everyone pre-order the labels and PREPAY (this is where the trust comes in)
4; when the lables come in, they can be sent to the dedicated members of the board.

COUNT ME IN!!!!!!

[RustyGT]

Bump!
Still Keen!
R.

[Warthog]

If/when if a Sysopt store opens up, I doubt they will ship internationally (perhaps Canada) http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif.

What a very kind USA?Canadian member could do is take an international order from other members here. Those members could send in a check for the total costs to the USA/Canadian purchasing member. Once recieved, he would then ship those products privately to the international members. Just a thought http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[dafremen]

I got tired of waiting and had a beer mug done at the mall using the logoidea from Cmonster, but in just plain Lettering.(I never found the Gradius' graphic) I plan on pursuing the bootleg casebadge idea and if they're cheap enough I'll mail em to people free so as not to deal with the money **** over a $1 case badge. Then when I run out, tough nuts, since they're free I'm under no obligation AND all the folx that got one will be happy.

P.S. Once I have them, I'll even mail internationally. (case badges only...one per address/person/member)

P.P.S. IT'll be a cold day in h*ll before I give away over 50 bux worth of anything, so quantities will be limited.

P.P.P.S. Anyone got a copy of the other logo?

[SysOpt]

Please don't use the SysOpt.com logo without internet.com's explicit permission. Again, to do so violates our copyright and denies us of revenue from product sales, should a SysOpt store be opened in the future.

Please don't make me bring internet.com's legal department into this. I know everyone is tired of waiting. There is likely a light at the end of the tunnel but the delay cannot be helped.

dafremen: I founded this site in 1994. You came along here a few weeks ago. If you create the logo merchandise without my/internet.com's permission you will be doing this site and everyone who uses it an extreme disservice.


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[thekingofpain]

(thats why I didnt continue with my ideas, I didnt get any response, at least you took it to where ya did, and got one)

[dafremen]

Well folx, looks like I'll be making

SysOopt.com case badges instead.

We'll try to make the extra 'o' nondescript enough to not be distracting.

And yes, as before ABSOLUTELY free of charge.

P.S. Having been here since early 2000 or late 99 and having been active here since November of 2000 I was of course suprised to hear that much as my post count dropped from 70 to 0 (along with everyone elses) when they moved the server, apparently a few weeks ago my time as a member here did the same. Then, as a daring and oh so subtle knife to the ribs, he points out the evil "profit robbing" "motive" behind my wanting to give away free casebadges to folx I don't know as a way of reaching out from the digital world to my fellow SysOpt afficionados. Tell ya what, take yer attitude and stuff it. It's been a great couple of weeks.
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by dafremen (edited 06-11-2001).]

[thekingofpain]

pass---sorry---bad idea---even for free

[Warthog]

Key word here: ILLEGAL

Warthog

[SysOpt]

Have it your way Dafremen. I'll be sure that internet.com's attorneys contact you straight away as it is obvious that you are not well versed on United States Copyright law.

As for post counts, I don't recall that everyones post count was erased when the server was moved. Everyone lost a few posts from their count, since the member data files had been copied over a week early and that week's updates to post counts had been lost.

You know, I guess I don't understand your desire to rub us the wrong way. What did I/we do to you besides provide you with a free resource at your disposal?

Regards,
Scott

[This message has been edited by SysOpt (edited 06-11-2001).]

[Mortis]

Greetings. I felt compelled to comment in this string. I have been on both sides of the fence- in agreement or disagreement with the moderators'/SysOpt's choices and/or actions. It’s unavoidable. But the reality is this= although sysopt may be a community where we FEEL ownership as members, we are not in fact owners. Further, to peruse and post in this forum is a privilege, not a right. Case badges or other memorabilia would be way cool, but unfortunately, there is red tape and steps. SysOpt merely pointed out this reality and asked for patience. I see no wrong in that, but I do in your response Dafremen.

Mortis

[This message has been edited by Mortis (edited 06-11-2001).]

[thekingofpain]

Recieved a message from "dafreman" we spoke shortly about this subject via email, here is his final message which he couldnt post (thought id post it for him):


roger dafremen &lt;dafremen@----.com&gt; wrote:


As of approximately 8:00 CST June 11th my membership was suspended by SysOpt
for TALKING about giving other members free sysopt casebadges for their
PC's. I tried to post the following response but found out I had been
banned:

The HUGE crack up here is that

A) I'm evil because of this and I'm "rubbing you the wrong way" by
suggesting giving people something for free.

B) You didn't get the hint that you needn't worry about ANY of this because
it's absolutely ABSURD to imagine that I would throw money at people after
your tirade.

C) It should have been clear from my last postscript that since I don't find
your attitude anything but hostile over this NON-EXISTENT problem, I've
decided enough is enough and since I won't be here, I won't be making
SysOopt casebadges either now WILL I?

Lighten up is all I've got to say. I realize that operations like yours are
going under left and right and that you guys are working hard to make sure
that doesn't happen here. There's just not enough room to slide a piece of
paper between anyone's arsecheeks as a result and that's a real shame.

Like I said, it's been a great couple of weeks. No response is required.
Dafremen Out.

It's been great having fun with you folx.

I'll be at blather and I'll certainly think about you folx from time to
time.

8) Daffy

[Mortis]

I feel a reprimand is in order, and scorning from fellow members... but banishment? He was rude, does have an inflated ego and did step on the big cheese's toes... but in essence, all he did was mouth off after not feeling appreciated. Wash his mouth out with soap, ground him, heck- get the paddle out... but dont kick him out. Just my opinion (another one http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif ) because I know I sometimes run off half cocked or am at times irrational- we all are and do. I just dont want to be looking over my shoulder or worrying on my bad day. Who doesnt have a bad day?

Mortis

[SysOpt]

SysOpt's community is the most important thing here and I will, and always have, do everything in my power to benefit that community. If you've seen new features added to the site, it's because I have personally stayed up till 4am MANY nights coding the additions. Socalgal and mntsnow moderate the forum, but I'm the only one running the site. It is my full time job, it's what I do for a living.

This whole case badge thing is an unfortunate issue. If I owned the site myself, I would reopen the SysOpt store (the site used to sell POST cards, books, etc.), get SysOpt logo merchandise made, etc. But the fact is, I don't own the site, and internet.com is a business. For those of you that are new around here, I founded SysOpt in 1994, sold it to EarthWeb, Inc. in 1999, and internet.com bought it from EarthWeb in late 2000. Internet.com (now INT Media Group, I should mention to be proper) wants what's best for its sites, but the company has to make business decisions and has to concentrate its resources where it will do the most good.

So, I'll continue to do what I can. I need SysOpt's users to keep it legal though, frustrating or not. If you want to see something implemented, let me know, and if it can be done with a reasonable effort, I'll get it done.

As for daffy, you took it too far - you brought your situation upon yourself. You act like I, or others, have some kind of vendetta against you. Honestly, I don't know you from adam and as long as you keep your nose clean around here I don't have a bone to pick with you whatsoever. If you go around talking about violating our copyrights, joking or not (like I'm supposed to know your intent?) then yeah, you're going to **** me off and end up making enemies, for no good reason whatsoever. Your account was disabled to prevent you from editing your comments in this thread, for disrespecting my very reasonable request, and for previous altercations i.e. your email to/from socalgal.

And by the way, daffy, regarding "being evil for wanting to give something to people for free.." No, that's not evil, but it is illegal considering YOU DON'T OWN WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY. Under your rationale, I guess it would be okay for me to sit in a movie theater with a video camera, video the movie, and then go give copies of the tape away. Think no one would object to that? Legal because it's free? Hardly.

[This message has been edited by SysOpt (edited 06-11-2001).]

[socalgal]

Mortis, do a search and read through some of his former posts. Dafremen was given numerous warnings inside this forum and via email, to cool his jets on his attitude towards others here. We gave him chances. He went too far too many times, and got himself banned.

We're fair here, but we don't need, nor will we accept, continuous disrespecting of others and of this site's standards. He punched his own card.

[Barney]

I have been banned too. But I was allowed to come back. I remember when Joel Kleppinger said he's a firm believer in second chances. Scott isn't a bad guy, he banned me with good reasons and yet he allowed me to come back.

Give the guy some respect, I think he has earned it http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif . That's one mistake I made back then (even though I never meant disrespect). Don't go too far though, to the point where you're sucking up (like I'm doing now http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif ). Scott has job to do and he can't just let you distribute a copyrighted logo (that is now owned by internet.com).

I'm sure Scott is honoured you want the logo of his website on your case, but this isn't the right way.

Daf, I don't pretend to know you, but you seem to have problems with authority. Not just the mod/admins here but also the government. It's not smart to dare people who have the ability to ban you. What do you think you would have done if you were in Scott's position?

If you feel the need to reply to this, you can always mail me: cf@mad-gamers.org.uk

Ronald

[kite]

How bout' we get off the subject of daf and whatever lets keep on talking about the subject "Hey Anyone up to make some SysOpt Case Badges?"

SysOpt, can you update us on when you talk to internet.com and what happened and all that. Thanks.

Kite

[SysOpt]

Thanks Barney http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.. I'm very glad we "unbanned" you as well - great to have you in the SysOpt community.. As for authority, I guess I'm the "authority" here but although I take pride in the site, I'm not on a power trip and I take absolutely no pleasure from disabling a user's account. I do it about 3 times a year, literally - and I always try all other alternatives first. It isn't a permanent measure but it can be. I consider myself to be a fair person, and I consider you all to be friends - I defintely wouldn't mistreat a friend and banning people isn't my favorite hobby.

kite-- I'll see what I can do..

[This message has been edited by SysOpt (edited 06-11-2001).]

[Mortis]

SysOp, you speak clearly and make your points well. Socalgal, I have seen his other posts and witnessed both his bold and sarcastic attitudes. I concede, I did not mean to imply in any way that the action taken against him was unfair or unprovoked. I had just wondered if there was any other alternative aside from banishment. However, it does sound as though he has pushed one too many buttons. For him, that is unfortunate. For us, a lesson to be learned. Again I repeat what I said earlier- SysOpt is a privilage, not a right.

Now, how 'bout those case badges http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif .


Mortis

[thekingofpain]

Have em made by Directron http://www.directron.com/labels.html if you do---itl cost more then a buck apiece, but they do GREAT work, the "bubbledome" really makes em look cool...

[dafremen]

Ok, but that means less for me to give away. The amount I spend will be fixed, so less expensive means more people get em.

I'm thinking of ordering them about a month from now if I have the graphics.
I'll have a little spare cash then.

[kite]

~bump~

[CMonster]

My proposed case badge has been edited by my own choice - I wouldn't want anyone printing them out and using them illegally.

[Warthog]

I 100% support any decision Scott/Socalgal/Mntsnow make, as I do now.

Warthog

[BadDriver]

What? No case badges?

"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges". :D

[mireland]

where the hell did this thread come from??? :eek:

[BadDriver]

where the hell did this thread come from??? :eek:

Shaddup, you are just jealous cause I found it first. :mad: :p

[mireland]

Shaddup, you are just jealous cause I found it first. :mad: :p


yea..I'M the one thats in charge of digging up old threads.... :D

[Bigjakkstaffa]

I remember this thread from days of yore when i used to only "lurk" on this board.

Good times gone - if only TIMO wasnt such a mess to navigate.

--Jakk:t

[herosrest]

l wouldn't mind a couple of t-shirts.
Bobble hat and coffee mug would be ok.
Engraved Stainless steel mouse pad, key fob, girl of the month calendar, erm... socks......

[loAol]

i'll pay for a tshirt :)

[mireland]

i'll pay for a tshirt :)

I won't... :rolleyes:

[loAol]

I won't... :rolleyes:
u wont get one... ur an embarrassment to sysopt :D ;)

[j.m@talk]

I nearly got my gonads chopped off fer sellin sysopt stuff once ........ I'm keepin outta this :(

[mireland]

I nearly got my gonads chopped off fer sellin sysopt stuff once ........ I'm keepin outta this :(


I need to find that thread... :D

[Baddog]

I need to find that thread... :D
Did someone say blood hound>>>> http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108999&highlight=sell

[herosrest]

Please do! pm it.

[mireland]

Did someone say blood hound>>>> http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108999&highlight=sell


good boy(tosses a milkbone in your direction) :D