Voyager ..Last Episode

[Mykex]

Being a closet Trekie for some time and thoroughly enjoying this series it is very saddening to see it go. Without too much spoiling for the west coast,they did a good job closing the doors. Im left now with a desire for more even a half hour wrapup would help,but thats to be expected.

[nunyadam]

glad you didn't give it away . I'm watching it now in the mid-west

nunya

[Dputiger]

I don't know--felt very incomplete to me. It needed another....well, honestly, half-hour, just to tie things up.

[charmler]

What, and ruin the Voyager MOVIE?

[Detemeat]

Compared to how they ended B5 (which almost had me in tears), I thought it was a let down....big time. All too convenient(sp). I was hoping for something a little more in depth. I guess thats what I get for comparing Star Trek vs Babylon 5.
Dete

[Fingers]

I wasn't able to see most of the 2nd hour, which of course, leaves me with no idea what happened. Would anyone care to post a brief summary? Specifically, what happened to Chacotay, Tuvok, and Seven?

The last I saw was when the crew decided that "the journey" was more important than getting home quickly.

[BFlurie]

It was pretty good. Deep-space 9 ended a bit more satisfyingly. 'Course, the original Trek had no "ending" at all. Y'all saw the advertisements for the new series, Enterprise, to start in the fall? Its setting in time is before the original series.

'Member, B5 was always better plotted -- the best sci-fi series IMHO. It even left some interesting loose-ends w/some of the 2-hr movies tying in w/the series.

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[Mykex]

Fingers
In my area UPN shows a repete of the wednessday episode over the weekend so if they do it might be worth a tape in the VCR if you missed it. If your really need it I have a copy. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

But:
It was a series of plot twists that had me actually beleaving they were going back to the delta quad and being left there for the series end.

To attempt a summery,young Janeway convinced old Janeway there were more important things than getting home. In a twist while O/J was striking a deal with the borg queen she was caught and assimalated. This was part of the plan as she infected the collective and Y/J continued to bring down the trans warp highway system.

In her dieing effort the queen brought a last sphere down on Voyager as it steaked ahead of the blast escaping to the alpha quad. The last we see before the sphere enters the Alpha quad to the arms of 20+ waiting starships is Y/J making a decision based on there last chance to get away from the sphere,to take a conduit back to the delta quad.

Cut to the sphere entering our space and the armada opening fire,no Voyager in site. The sphere explodes from the inside and a victorius Voyager streaks out from inside the sphere. Without the story giving mention, I assume they instead of hanging that last right,allow Voyager to be tractored into the sphere and destroy it from within.

This is where it goes into happily ever after mode and we get left hanging. Everyone lives short of the queen(hey its not the first time she has died)and the elder Janeway. I loved every minute of it up till the last 3 minutes. That was of course is where all the ends got neatly wrapped up and the show was indeed over.

As it seems to be aggreed anouther half hour would have been great. At least a flash forward to the same reunion in the new timeline would have been great. That might have made writing the movie difficult though.

On a lighter note I hope no one living in Brasil reads this as I have found out from an online friend the show starts there next week.

I cant wait to see how the new series "Enterprise" handles things. To have a series like StarTrek where we already giggle at some of there "future" equipment go back even before that timeline should be interesting to say the least.

[JacobM5727]

i would have been soooo mad if they did what it seemed like they would do but i was surprised at the end, it was pretty cool....

and babylon 5 was very sad but good http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[Fingers]

Thanks Mykex, I will have to find out if it's going to be replayed.

BTW, how did Chacotay die in the original plot? I know that Seven was injured on an "away mission" and died on Voyager with Chacotay by her side, but I missed how he died... it must have been on Earth because Admir. Janeway visited his grave before going back in time.

Thanks again for the summary. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[Ziz]

The "missing half hour" could have been accounted for by having less in the future at the beginning of the show. They should have left that part as vague as possible so that when Old Janeway shows up we, along with the Voyager crew, have our doubts as to whether she's for real or not...would have created some more tension and made you look forward to what happens next a little more. As is, it's very passive, almost insulting...sit back, be the idiot we expect you to be, don't try to figure out the story, we'll tell you when to be surprised.

As for some ideas of what to do with that last half hour...start with the easy stuff...reactions shots of the crew realizing they're really finally home, "Glad to have you back" from the Admiral Paris...stuff like that. Welcome Back party with crew meeting family, catching up on the last 7 years, Doc standing in the corner, starting to feel sorry that there's no one for him. A hand pats him on the back, a familiar voice says "Welcome home"...Doc turns to see Dr. Zimmerman smiling back at him.

They could have done so much to tie up the end of the show.

[Dputiger]

B5 may just take a lot of time to get used too. Personally, I watched it several times and thought it wasn't all that great--about on par with the rest of the 'original' shows on the Sci Fi channel.

That said, I thought the DS9 final was in some ways better and in some ways worse. Voyager's was 'tighter' over all--they weren't jumping back and forth over so many disparate plot elements--but DS9's final two-minute farewell scene put Voyager's to shame (didn't even HAVE a farewell scene).

I seriously doubt there will be a Voyager movie. The show has always been the also-ran of Star Trek--somewhat unfairly I think.

Star Trek: TNG has been by far the most popular of the shows. DS9 never reached TNG popularity, but had a solid following--Voyager, on the other hand, always struggled. I've read a variety of explanations for why this is so, but for whatever reason, the show just never picked up the popularity the other two had.

[Ed_S]

I've refrained from reading this since I didn't see it until last night. Like others, I think it could have been ended MUCH better.

DS9 was far and away the best series finale, very well done IMO.

[Ed_S]

Just had a thought - at the end, Voyager returns still equipped with the technology supplied by the future Janeway.

So the door IS open for a movie using that as a basis...

[Fingers]

It's being re-run on UPN tonight (Sunday)... I'll be sure to watch or tape the whole thing this time. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[daverme]

Well, it's May 28th and I assume everyone has seen this by now (sure hope so!). As a movie, I thought it was pretty cleverly done, especially how they conveniently disposed of the future Janeway. However, I also thought there were a couple of serious contrivances that WOULD NOT stand up to close scrutiny.
First was Adm. Janeway's whole plan. NOBODY in Starfleet would EVER fool with the time-line, with all the potential consequences and the Prime Directive, etc. So, from that perspective, the whole idea was bogus. (Come to think of it, the WHOLE CONCEPT of voyager was, to me, bogus, so maybe that's not so unreasonable. But wait ... I'll chase that rabbit later.)

Second was the notion that EVERYONE felt that killing off Borg was more important than getting home. Common! Gimme a break! I just COULD NOT swallow that notion AT ALL!

Even though they wrapped things up rather neatly, it still somehow felt incomplete. Unlike others, I DON'T feel that more time would have fixed it. I think the problem was the plot line and it think it is rooted in the notion that killing Borg was more important than getting home. This was the theme that was supposed to create all the tension that we expect in a StarTrek final episode. Trouble is, it was a bogus concept so nobody bought into it so there was no real tension. Thus, so satisfaction when they made it home.

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