beardog23
10-10-2000, 06:43 PM
How many of you who have read this book feel dissapointed about the ending.
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seti
10-10-2000, 06:46 PM
Haha, it wouldn't be 1984 without the ending. However, it's natural to want everything to workout in the end.
U-96
10-11-2000, 03:52 AM
Everything does work out right in the end.
The State wins. It always wins.
The chocolate ration has been increased to 3oz.
U-96
The State wins. It always wins.
The chocolate ration has been increased to 3oz.
U-96
Solidus
10-11-2000, 09:46 AM
The ending IS the story. What its saying is that the domination of ingsoc is so complete that even when he thought he was being careful, he was still watched and maniulated BEFORE he did anything wrong. They were able to detect him years before he did anything against the party, and even before he admited to himself that he hated the party. The whole book you are thinking that somehow the rsistance will prevail, that ingsoc doesn't hold as tight a grip as they think they do, but the truth is they dominate everyting.
I wrote an essay for school on those 3 slogans of ingsoc. Here it is. think it's any good?
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
These slogans were created for one purpose and one purpose only – to keep the party as the ruling party and keep the lower classes from revolting. That is also the main reason for most of the party’s actions. By ruling out all possibilities of any sort of deviant thought that does not conform with the their views, the party ensures their own survival, something that which no ruler prior to Ingsoc could accomplish. They set out not merely to push their views, but to abolish all others to the point that they don’t even exist as a concept. How can someone revolt if he doesn’t know what revolting is, and cannot even imagine any other way of life.
WAR IS PEACE. When first read it seems, like the rest of the slogans, to be a sophism. How can that which causes violence and death be peaceful? But that is the goal of the party – too educate the people, to mold and shape their minds to believe two contradictory things at once, to doublethink. In doing so, the party can alter whatever facts they want to serve their purposes, and the people will believe it unquestioningly, as if that falsification was the truth the whole time. It also engraves the subconscious beliefs into the people that war is peace. Therefore, at any mention of the war, they begin to feel not only peaceful, but they actually have gratitude for the party for making this war.
On a deeper note, the peace that is implied is a peace for the leaders, the highest members of the inner party. Their peace can only be attained while they are still the leading class, which is where the war comes in. The sole purpose of it is to consume resources. These resources would otherwise be given to the people, making their lives easier by giving them enough to eat, shorter working hours and easier work. They would in turn find other activities to occupy their time. This can lead to discovery that they are being oppressed, and they might become educated enough to organize a revolution. By creating this ongoing war, with no purpose and no chance of ending, there will never be a surplus of resources; they will all be use for war purposes. Thus, the people will be too busy creating these resources to think for themselves. They will be too tired out at the end of every day to put serious thought into anything. They will remain forever ignorant. In this, the party can destroy all chances of revolution. War is Peace. As long as they are at war, the party is at peace as the rulers of Oceania.
Freedom is implies that when you are free, when you think you are free, you are actually a slave, a slave to those emotions that stem from freedom. These emotions can control a person, thereby making him a slave. When ruled by the party, this slavery does not exist. The party thinks for you. You are then free from any emotions that can cause you damage or hinder your productivity. This is another concept that can only be believed when using doublespeak.
While those slogans only serve to help restrain the people from revolting, Ignorance is Strength idealizes the very essence of Ingsoc. It is the party’s foundation. Much like the other two, it implants a specific mentality into the people, that they should believe that their ignorance is their strength. By keeping the people ignorant, they cannot revolt. The ignorance of the masses is the strength of the party. So long as the proles and lower members of the party are kept ignorant, the higher members can be strong and remain in power. The tool to accomplish this is War is Peace. Combined with Ignorance Is Strength, the party has the means to rule the world indefinitely.
Some may say that the writing style is excessive, that the spacing is not needed, or that it would look better written as normal sentences. But, for the party to make the people believe it, they must be written like this. The lettering has been created this way to embed in every reader that they are not merely slogans. They are truth. The spacing also engrains this belief. When read, they are facts.
The creations of these are pure genius. To have such a degree of understanding of human nature, and then to be able to control that nature and then turn it against these people is as truly genius as it is evil. These slogans are a testimony to the level greediness that people can attain. But, ultimately, their greed was that which spelled their doom. They taught others to be like them, to not even tolerate any deviant thought. Being of the old generation, of free thinkers, they could not help it. The new one, brought up based on this reality and these conditions, quickly saw this and replaced them without hesitation, as they had been taught. These framers of Ingsoc fooled themselves into thinking that they have ensured their survival as the ones in power, when in truth they merely secured the party’s rule. In this world, there is no mercy, not even for the leaders. They were quickly replaced by the new generation, who where no less sane then their predecessors. At that point, all hope of change or revolution effectively was extinguished. All that remained was the party.
[This message has been edited by Solidus (edited 10-11-2000).]
I wrote an essay for school on those 3 slogans of ingsoc. Here it is. think it's any good?
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
These slogans were created for one purpose and one purpose only – to keep the party as the ruling party and keep the lower classes from revolting. That is also the main reason for most of the party’s actions. By ruling out all possibilities of any sort of deviant thought that does not conform with the their views, the party ensures their own survival, something that which no ruler prior to Ingsoc could accomplish. They set out not merely to push their views, but to abolish all others to the point that they don’t even exist as a concept. How can someone revolt if he doesn’t know what revolting is, and cannot even imagine any other way of life.
WAR IS PEACE. When first read it seems, like the rest of the slogans, to be a sophism. How can that which causes violence and death be peaceful? But that is the goal of the party – too educate the people, to mold and shape their minds to believe two contradictory things at once, to doublethink. In doing so, the party can alter whatever facts they want to serve their purposes, and the people will believe it unquestioningly, as if that falsification was the truth the whole time. It also engraves the subconscious beliefs into the people that war is peace. Therefore, at any mention of the war, they begin to feel not only peaceful, but they actually have gratitude for the party for making this war.
On a deeper note, the peace that is implied is a peace for the leaders, the highest members of the inner party. Their peace can only be attained while they are still the leading class, which is where the war comes in. The sole purpose of it is to consume resources. These resources would otherwise be given to the people, making their lives easier by giving them enough to eat, shorter working hours and easier work. They would in turn find other activities to occupy their time. This can lead to discovery that they are being oppressed, and they might become educated enough to organize a revolution. By creating this ongoing war, with no purpose and no chance of ending, there will never be a surplus of resources; they will all be use for war purposes. Thus, the people will be too busy creating these resources to think for themselves. They will be too tired out at the end of every day to put serious thought into anything. They will remain forever ignorant. In this, the party can destroy all chances of revolution. War is Peace. As long as they are at war, the party is at peace as the rulers of Oceania.
Freedom is implies that when you are free, when you think you are free, you are actually a slave, a slave to those emotions that stem from freedom. These emotions can control a person, thereby making him a slave. When ruled by the party, this slavery does not exist. The party thinks for you. You are then free from any emotions that can cause you damage or hinder your productivity. This is another concept that can only be believed when using doublespeak.
While those slogans only serve to help restrain the people from revolting, Ignorance is Strength idealizes the very essence of Ingsoc. It is the party’s foundation. Much like the other two, it implants a specific mentality into the people, that they should believe that their ignorance is their strength. By keeping the people ignorant, they cannot revolt. The ignorance of the masses is the strength of the party. So long as the proles and lower members of the party are kept ignorant, the higher members can be strong and remain in power. The tool to accomplish this is War is Peace. Combined with Ignorance Is Strength, the party has the means to rule the world indefinitely.
Some may say that the writing style is excessive, that the spacing is not needed, or that it would look better written as normal sentences. But, for the party to make the people believe it, they must be written like this. The lettering has been created this way to embed in every reader that they are not merely slogans. They are truth. The spacing also engrains this belief. When read, they are facts.
The creations of these are pure genius. To have such a degree of understanding of human nature, and then to be able to control that nature and then turn it against these people is as truly genius as it is evil. These slogans are a testimony to the level greediness that people can attain. But, ultimately, their greed was that which spelled their doom. They taught others to be like them, to not even tolerate any deviant thought. Being of the old generation, of free thinkers, they could not help it. The new one, brought up based on this reality and these conditions, quickly saw this and replaced them without hesitation, as they had been taught. These framers of Ingsoc fooled themselves into thinking that they have ensured their survival as the ones in power, when in truth they merely secured the party’s rule. In this world, there is no mercy, not even for the leaders. They were quickly replaced by the new generation, who where no less sane then their predecessors. At that point, all hope of change or revolution effectively was extinguished. All that remained was the party.
[This message has been edited by Solidus (edited 10-11-2000).]
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