Stupid president equals good economy !!!!!!!

[jacobnero8196]

Here it is:


Jimmy Carter....genuis, degree in physics = bad economy
Ronald Reagan...Sleeping, eating jelly beans = good economy
George Bush Sr...Ran the CIA = bad economy
Bill Clinton....Stupid Hick caught with pants down = good economy

Next president

Al Gore...invented the internet = bad economy
George W Bush...traded Sammy Sosa = good economy


Vote for Bush because it's the "stupid" economy !!!

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[jad1097]

"Ronald Reagan...Sleeping, eating jelly beans = good economy" I don't think so!! Do you get a $4 an hour pay cut when the economy is booming or even doing well?

[jacobnero8196]

The Reagan years were good to most, maybe you missed out. I remember how bad it was under Carter. Then Regan had his first 4 years and said "are you better off than you were four years ago" most people were so he won the 1984 election with a landslide victory. The Reagan years were good to me.

[Variable]

You just have to look at the DOW during Reagans presidency. It went up!!!
=> good economy!
But I don't think Reagan was stupid!
He was one of the best Presidents ever!!!
He WON the COLD WAR!!!

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[narayan]

LOL, that's funny. \

Reagan is da MAN!! Just think, without him our hero-in-Monica-in-chief would not have our military to throw around at his every whim. Without Reagan, the military might still be an embarassment as it was under Carter. Under Algore, our military would most likely become ineffective for what it is intended, defense of our nation.

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[Fingers]

Yeah, I have my doubts about people who claim that the American economy didn't improve drastically under Reagan. Not everybody benefited, but the overwhelming majority did.

[barry glisson]

You can still see the remains of condos that were started in the Keys at the begining of the Regan administration. Dade county had many high rise condos that were stopped only partially complete. The bottom floors were ready to move, in the people were waiting for a certificate of ocupancy when const stopped and the people were screwed.They had to pay on their mortgage and rent a place to live. barry

[Fingers]

After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration) sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low in June of 1988). As Reagan left office, the nation was experiencing its sixth consecutive year of economic prosperity He followed up the passage of the largest tax cut in U.S. history by supporting and signing into law the Tax Reform law of 1986. Reagan led the battle for a Social Security reform bill designed to ensure the long-term solvency of the system, and oversaw the passage of immigration reform legislation , as well as the expansion of the Medicare program to protect the elderly and disabled against "catastrophic" health costs.


As for labor unions... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif Well lets just say I didn't shed any tears for those "workers" when Reagan busted the Air Traffic Controllers in the teeth in 1981.

The first part is factual information than cannot be disputed; the commentary at the end is my own personal feelings, which as a entrepreneurial business person, I am entirely entitled to.

[jad1097]

Claim? No just the facts.
Our LU here in middle TN took a pay cut due to lack of work. In So. Florida many electrical contractors had no work, including my fathers company. I remember standing in lines that would extend into parking lots! When a contractor would have an opening or two there would be 50+ applicants showing up each day! There where no negotiations on pay! You either took what they offered or you did not work. This was also so for other trades in the construction industry!


Is that a good economy? The only people who benefited from Reagan was the rich and our military personal.

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[Faramir]

Variable... I agree

[jacobnero8196]

I have nothing agianst unions myself but it seems that they end up becoming corrupt. I worked in one union job and the pay ceiling was $15 an hour, than it was lowered to $12 and then to $10 and then down to $9 and hour. Then the scandal broke, it seems the union leaders were taking bribes to lower the pay ceiling and us the average workers had no say in the matter. If they could find a way to run unions without them being so corrupt.

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[Jeff7]

Of course, during Reagan's term, the national debt skyrocketed, nearly quadrupling. I'd vote Gore, not that he's good, but for the reason that he's not Bush. If only McCain were still running...

[ILC]

Jeff, the reason it sky rocketed was becuase Reagan put so much into the military to END the cold war. While doing that he also lowered taxes to help the economy.

Anywho, not to offend anyone but unions are the worst thing out there IMO. Especially teacher unions. My cousin is an electricain, he has been working for a company for the past 3 years, he now has a partner who comes to work 2 times a week at most, gets paid more then he does, and while at work doesnt even do anything. Oh yea, his boss cant do anythign either becuase hes in a union. I dont agree with that.

ILC

[Jeff7]

Well, ask Greenspan this - cutting taxes isn't always a good thing. If we cut taxes now, we'd risk undoing the work he's been trying to do to slow the economy, as to prevent inflation from going up too much. That just sucks with the Cold War and the arms race we had. The arms race was done with no real intention of using them I think - they were there as sort of backing to the threats. You do this, or else...we'll nuke ya. Humans - they can be quite laughable sometimes.

[jad1097]

It must have been a figment of my imagination then. The pay cut was in late 81' and the lack of work in So. Florida was 87-88'.


Everyone needs to appreicate what labor unions have done for workers rights.

BTW my mother was one of those Eastern employee's that got screwed!

[barry glisson]

Union busters need to live for a year in a right to work state then see how your opinion changes. barry

[Variable]

Uups double post!
BUSHBUSHBUSH!

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[Variable]

"ask Greenspan this - cutting taxes isn't always a good thing. If we cut taxes now, we'd risk undoing the work he's been trying to do to slow the economy"

Jeff, you're sure what you just said??? Greenspan (he makes clintons financial policy!!!) is SLOWING down the economy???? Now why would he do that???? I think it SUCKS MAJORLY that the Gov't always tries to meddle the economy.
If Greenspan wasn't there we would probably have a DOW of 15000 and an exploding economy stronger than ever!
STOP MEDDLING!!!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

And Unions in my opinion outlived their usefullness. I agree they were usefull and needed in the 19.th century during the industrial revolution. Then factory workers had no rights and worked for minimum wages but nowadays unions are only for their own good. Nowadays you are not forced to work 20 hours a day! You don't get wages so low you can't even buy food! The times for unions are over!

[Jeff7]

Yes, it is good that he is slowing down the economy. The economy should only grow at 3-5% a year; otherwise, we risk getting too much inflation. And reports were showing that inflation was beginning to creep up again. This is a result of people spending too much of their money, which caused the economy to grow too quickly. One way of slowing the economy is to reduce the money supply that people have, so that they will spend less. Raising interest rates was one way of accomplishing that. And, the economy has slowed too, staving off inflation for the time being.
Believe me, I've had a good economics class - we discussed this stuff to death. A fast growing economy is not always the best thing. It can bring other problems; the system is more complex than you think.

[bdunn]

I don't know when Regans tax reforms went thru we lost bigtime. The miniscule raise pushed us into the next bracket. This time around is better.

As far as George W Bush goes I cant vote for him. I will hold my nose and vote for Gore. If John Haeglin had a reasonable chance of winning and wasn't blocked out of the debates I think he'd be a better choice.

Dubya is the antithises of Jimmy Carter. Carter was a smart man who surrounded himself with some dumb idiots; dubya realizes his intelectual shortcomings and therfore surrounds himself with smarter people.

[Jeff7]

Right on, bdunn. Just read Doonesbury in the comics - they have lots of fun quoes from Bush. I like his comments on the "subliminable" messages in one of his ads. Yes, he did actually refer to them as "subliminable," and not subliminal.

[Faramir]

I think most people forget about the Democrat Congress reneging on their budget deal with Reagan. They promised to cut $2 for every $1 raised in taxes. But the blame for the huge debt is given to Reagan for having to rebuild a decimated military in order to fight a cold war.

[Faramir]

How good is an organization that uses threats and intimidation to to keep it's members in line? barry... I live in a right to work state, whats your point? All I can see are these aircraft workers making great money then strike before each new contract because they want more money. EVERY job I've had that was union, the majority of the workers will only do the bare minimum of work required of them. Why is this? Why is there so much corruption in unions? Why do unions use union dues to support Democrats?

[pickel]

I hate to blow everybodies bubble, however if you think for one minute the United States military isn't a force tro be reckoned with, you've got be living in a dreamworld. Who wants to be first....Russia..no way..Cuba.. HAHA, Iraq, Iran, ....China, don't think so they just want to sell us all their stuff. We watch everything, hear everything, and don't miss nothing. Don't be fooled by the press and government propaganda. The training and technology far surpass what was. Now it takes one man to do the tasks of many more efficiently and in less time. When I was in the Navy is no comparision to todays highly skilled and motivated service men...and women
"Walk softly and carry a big stick" Don't ever doubt it!!!!!!

[Faramir]

pickel... I agree with what you said but when the moral is as bad as it is now it can cause quite a bit of damage. The lack of money to replace old and damaged equipment is a major part of it. Also being asked to play 'policeman' around the world on an already tight budget doesn't help either.

[ILC]

Pickel, before Clinton and, even the first couple years that Clinton was in, i would agree with you that the U.S. was aboslutely no force to be reckoned with, but no due to more and more cut backs, and lack of moral in all our armed services, combined with the loss of national pride, were nothing close to what we used to be, and may have some scary situations if the tiem comes.

ILC

[Jeff7]

Yeah, yeah; so I can't help myself. The word is "morale" - meaning something that can rally troops. "Moral" is a sort of value. Ok, enough of that.
And our military, though it might not be as strong as it was a few years ago, but it is still very powerful.

[jacobnero8196]

I'm so sick of people blaming Reagan for the huge debt accumulated during his 8 years. He was fighting the cold war, this is true and we did get into a money battle with the Soviets. I also believe we won that battle and nobody died in a Nuclear Holocaust.

The real reason though for the debt was the democrats wouldn't cut any of there HUGE social programs. National defense was no more that 15 percent of the budget. That means that 85 percent of the budget is spent on things like social security, welfare and other domestic spending. The Democrats love to start new programs and refuse to stop funding programs long after there no longer needed. Most of this money which is "stolen" from the taxpayers and diverted to washington were red tape specialist like Hillary Clinton can decide the best way to spend "OUR" money. This is the kind of goverment we fought the cold war over. It's time to put socialism to bed and allow true capitalism to be developed.

[barry glisson]

Under Bush true capitalism will cease to exist as the little guy is forced out of business by unfair tax breaks to big business. Ask the Texans whose land Bush stole for his personal gain or the ones that are still paying the half cent sales tax that benefited his company. barry

[Fingers]

Barry, you got this "unfair tax break" thing a little backward. It is the "wealthy" (anyone who doesn't depend on the govnt to subsidize their income) who pay the highest tax rates. I'm am sick and tired of people claiming this "tax break for the rich" ****. Nonsense. Reducing unfair and oppressive tax burdens from those who pay them is not a "tax break". It turns my stomach to live under an economic program that somehow thinks it is "fair" to forcibly take a higher percentage tax rate from someone who earn $61,000 than someone who earns just $1,000 less.

This is nothing but class envy, and it is highly promoted by the liberals. Make the middle class believe that they are poor, and teach them to hate those who strive to be more successful. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- GEORGE BERNARD SHAW

Is your middle name Paul?

*edit* I just saw a campaign ad for Bush. It said that under his plan, no one would pay more than 33% in taxes. Do you think it is an "unfair tax break" for people to pay less than 1/3 of their income to the government? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif



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[Redskins91]

Reagen won the cold war? lmao, if I can recall correctly, pun intended, George Bush was president when the Berlin Wall fell. So could we not say Bush did. I'd have to say it was inevitable that democracy would win. Lets go further back.

Eisenhower = fine soldier, fine general and statesman, exceptional with logistics, smart

Economy= excellent

[Faramir]

yes Jeff... thank you for pointing that out

[barry glisson]

Let Bush get elected and impose a tax on you to pay for a deal to benefit his partners or just take your property by immenent domain and pay you 10 cents on the dollar for it .Things he has done in Texas. I do not depend on the government for a hand out and I am far from wealthy.I also suggest you look at your last income tax return did you pay 33% in income tax plus social security tax. Just how much do you have to make to pay 33% income tax not combined tax? Try going into a business of your own and spend 40 hours each month filling out gov.forms then pay all the local and state and federal taxes then I might believe you have at least an idea of what you are talking about. barry

[Variable]

It's interesting how peopel twist the facts:
"Reagen won the cold war? lmao, if I can recall correctly, pun intended, George Bush was president when the Berlin Wall fell"

I never knew the cold war was between the US and Eastern Germany (15 Million people??, no nuclear capabilites).
Sorry but I allways thought the cold war was between the US and the USSR (300 Million people, large nuclear capability, communism!!)

It was REAGAN WHO WON THE COLD WAR!!!!!
And he did it by bringing the Sowjets to their knees by economic means!

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[Variable]

"Who are these people?"
- Al Gore, asking who the busts of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin etc. were while touring Monticello.

"A zebra does not change its spots."
- Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
- Al Gore March 9, 1999.

"I didn't realize I was in a Buddhist temple."
- Al Gore - In response to questions about his illegal fund raising campaign.


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[Roraycr]

Fingers has got it right. If you hate the rich man, next time you are unemployed, ask a poor man for a job. Good luck! Thank god there wealthy to create jobs and when they make a profit, good for them. It's call capitalism.

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[Faramir]

This article fits nicely with part of this thread...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-2000927235725.htm

[jacobnero8196]

You forgot one Variable, a recent one. When he said his mother used to sing him the Union song. Of course he was later told that the song was only written in 1975 or 1976. Gore was 27 at the time.


oops another gorism....I think when you stretch the truth people are going to call it "pulling a gore".

[barry glisson]

Wrong " read my lips " Now thats stretching the truth. barry