Nasty but interesting.....

[Warthog]

In absence of Gene C. I am forced to keep you uninformed people updated http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

Check this short story out: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/31/compactor.death.ap/index.html

I think that this is very sick but sorta.....funny in a way. I think it's my very strange sense of humor coming into play.... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

Warthog

P.S. - To clear things up, I don't think that it's "funny" to see someone die, just thought it was interesting to see the weird way the person died.

[ILC]

What happened to Gene? Anyways kinda a irony and i wanna say she got what she deserved but thats kinda harsh since I dont know ALL the details, and will take some **** from the board for it.

ILC

[Richard_Cranium72]

Warthog, you crack me up. That seems a little iffy on the dumpster though. As far as GeneC. goes, never, never count him out. He's probably out for a little hike, probably a hundred miles or so. . Anyone heard from him lately or Apostle 83?

[krusty the klown]

LOL, wait for that story to appear in this year's Darwin Awards!!

[U-96]

they will be in contention with the Filipino parachute hijacker....


General Jose Lachica said soldiers had recovered what was believed to be the remains of Mr Lakandula in a heavily forested area in the town of Real, about 70km (40 miles) east of the capital, Manila.

His body was found with the improvised parachute...

...A police officer told the DZMM radio station that the man had landed so hard that his body was buried in mud, with only his knees and hands protruding.


BBC News article (http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia%2Dpacific/newsid%5F764000/764625.stm)

U-96,000 5,000 4,000 3,000 Pull! oh cr*p



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[doodelsak]

i was reading about the compactor death here and i just would like to say you wouldn't believe how some people pass on.Im a firefighter in new york city and i have seen something very similar to what you wrote and then some........enjoy your everyday cause ya never know!.....be well and happy!

[krusty the klown]

Hehe, that will be a close contest, but I reckon the hijacker wins http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif

[NoCtrl]

Now if the family is smart, they'll sue the store and be set for life. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif Not that it's the way it should be, but wait and see. They'll say that nobody should be able to get into the trash compactor in the first place.

[hd581]

Noctrl, I just bet they will. People will sue for anything these days. Bugs me how the court systems let people get away w/ ridiculous things like that.

[Idnew]

I think they should sue. What if an innocent child playing had got in there? Wouldn't be so funny then. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[hd581]

You may be just trolling but for the benefit of those who actually do believe they should sue: What if an innocent child playing had got in there?Most likely, it would get crushed. May I point out, with stress on the word innocent, that this case is a little different than the shoplifter situation. There is no reason to make breaking the law a safe venture.

While I do agree there should be more safety in that device, I don't think the family has a right to sue.

[ILC]

That shouldnt sue! If they sue, someone should sue the family back for 5 times more then the family sued for in the first place. This sueing **** is getting rediculous! Now I do think that the compactor shouldnt turn on by weight, but its definetly NOT sue worthy, especially since it was a shoplifter!

By the way did any of you all here about the thief who fell through a sky light of a house he was trying to rob, landed ona knife on the counter and sued the owner of the house? What the heck is that?!?!

ILC

[brandon184]

ILC - That skylight story is from the movie "Liar Liar" http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[ILC]

*feels REALLY REALLY stupid*

[raider rick]

IMHO, ... Justice!
Too bad the legal system can't be as swift. A revolving-door, judicial system, is a downward spiral.

[Idnew]

You may be just trolling but for the benefit of those who actually do believe
they should sue: Excuse me but how does stating my opinion relate to trolling? Nobody should die over shoplifting . That might have been a fitting end for a murderer. So if it had been a child should that family sue or not because obviously if it had been a child they shouldn't have been playing there.

[hd581]

Idnew: I think you misunderstand what I meant by trolling. I take it to mean "stating an opinion that might not necessarily be your own in order to spur a discussion"; playing Devil's Advocate if you will. If it is your own opinion, I respect it, but disagree.

1st, ironically enough, I don't believe in capital punishment, so I don't believe it's any more fitting for a serial killer than for your average shoplifter.

2nd, you can't declare your rights while you are in the process of taking someone else's away. Criminals in jail, yes, they are serving their sentence and deserve protection from harm even while imprisoned. It would be inhumane to do otherwise. But someone in the act of comitting a crime has temporarily forfeit any rights they have.

3rd, if an innocent child had gotten killed in there, I guess the parents would have grounds to sue the owner, but not the manufacturer. People have to have some level of responsibility for their own children. Granted you would get a lot more money from suing the manufacturer but to an extent, it's not their job to police every single one of their products.

I could kill someone with a wet sponge. Should we sue 3M?

I agree that they could do so but only for justice to be served, not to say "Oh well Johnny's dead, but hopefully we can milk his corpse for millions from the manufacturer!" What an amazing display of disrespect for Johnny's life.

[Warthog]

hehehe...glad you guys enjoyed the story http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

I thought you'd all think I'm some weird sadistic person after this. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[Axel]

HD - people in this country are NOT expected to watch carefully over their children and ANYthing is "sue-worthy" - I don't have the specific reference, but what about the father who was playing with his child under a ceiling fan - He threw the child up in the air and the child was promptly killed when the fan, which had metal vanes, struck the child in the head at high speed. The father sued the company and won because they had nothing in or on their package indicating there was a danger of injury if you stuck your childs head in a ceiling fan while it was on - In my opinion, the father should have been executed or at the very least sterlized so as not to infect the rest of the gene-pool or subject another innocent child to his stupidity and obvious greed.

I have some small hope for the human genome in that, however dwindling the number, there are still ways for stupid people to die at their own hand..... At the extreme beginning of my working life, I worked in a grocery store - when we caught a shoplifter we couldn't easily detain for the cops - we put them in the compactor and held them there....it didn't have that automated weight detection though....

And perhaps it was a suicide - the note was just obscured by all the blood......

[Idnew]

If it is your own opinion, I
respect it, but disagree. It is my opinion and I disagree with you on capitol punishment. I am all for it. I also agree their are a million stupid lawsuits. Now throwing your child into a ceiling fan and winning, I don't agree with that one bit.

[neo_otyugh]

server her right is all i can say
you do something wrong and it comes back...sometimes in spades!

[Warthog]

Man....I didn't think this would turn into a big argument when I originally posted it. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[ILC]

I am totally FOR capital punishment, and it shoulndt take years and years to kill someone!

Hd581:
May I ask why you dont believe in Capitol punishment? Now i dontfully understand by what you meant by saying
"2nd, you can't declare your rights while you are in the process of taking someone else's away." however I ask what about the victums rights? Why do they loose there rights while the muderder/rapist etc.get to keep there rights?? Then I think you mentioned it being inhumane, well you know, in my eyes the second you can kill someone or whatever to someone in cold blood then you arent human and shouldnt be treated as one.

(P.S. I dont think that shoplifters or other petti crimes should get the death penalty, just the serious crimes against other human beings in cold blood.)

ILC

[davem]

It should read :
All information about the woman was squashed to protect her true identity!!!!!!!LOL

[Warthog]

hehehe http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[hd581]

ILC: May I ask why you dont believe in Capitol punishment?Innocent people have been put to death in the past. More innocent people will be executed in the future. This is unacceptable. Life in prison is a sentence we can apologize for and correct while it is in progress. Death is non-retractable. I ask what about the [victims] rights? Why do they [lose] [their] rights while the muderder/rapist etc.get to keep [their] rights??Eh? I don't know what you mean here. But what I meant is, while in the act of committing a crime, you're potentially putting other lives in danger. Since you are the instigator, your safety takes last priority over everyone else's. Once everyone else's safety, security, and property have been assured, only then is it time to attend to the safety of the criminal (assuming the criminal has been detained). Then I think you mentioned it being inhumane, well you know, in my eyes the second you can kill someone or whatever to someone in cold blood then you arent human and shouldnt be treated as one.Again, you lost me. What I was referring to was something like this: Say a jail catches fire. It's not up to the prison guards to become the justice system and say "Ah just let 'em roast." It is their duty to attend to the safety of the criminals. You pretty much said you believe the same thing: I dont think that shoplifters or other petti crimes should get the death penalty

[ILC]

1) Ok I see what you mean about innocent people, but that should not disallow the death penalty. Probally aboout 99.9% of the people who have been executed HAVE been guilty, so you think we should quit the death penalty for that .1%??

2)Ok let me explain myself: What I mean to say is what happened to the rights of the victums? Did they only have the right to live to the point up to they were murdered? Why should innocent victums lose there rights for absolutely no reaon while the criminals get to keep there rights even though they took the most basic right of every human away? The right to live.

3) That just boggles my mind how you would rather have the law abiding, honestly living jail guards put there life on the line for the scum of thw world that would beat/kill the guards first chance they had! Come on get real!

4) May I ask why you put that last thing in quotations?

Oh yea, you mentioned that you can repay a person that has beenin jails for years. HOW!?! A couple million in tax payer dollars? You cant replace those lost years of that peronsons life, all those memories they would have had!

[hd581]

Probally aboout 99.9% of the people who have been executed HAVE been guilty, so you think we should quit the death penalty for that .1%?? As a matter of fact, I do. Who knows? Perhaps some of the people who have been executed would have been the next Mother Teresa. Or Father Teresa. (Whatever, you get it). We don't know for certain. Probably never will. What I mean to say is what happened to the rights of the victums? Ok this is in relation to CP again, gotcha. Well victims (who lost their lives) can never be recompensated. Killing someone else is not the answer. Again, what if this person turns over a new leaf and saves 100 people's lives? By killing him/her for "justice" we've killed 100 innocent people. That just boggles my mind how you would rather have the law abiding, honestly living jail guards put there life on the line for the scum of thw world that would beat/kill the guards first chance they had! Come on get real!I am very real. I never said they should put their life on the line. But it would be immoral for them to sit and watch if there was no risk to themselves to go turn on the sprinkler system or something. May I ask why you put that last thing in quotations?Read the sentence before it. Your own statement justified my argument: Criminals deserve the appropriate punishment. Ergo, shoplifters shouldn't die in a prison fire. Oh yea, you mentioned that you can repay a person that has beenin jails for years. HOW!?! A couple million in tax payer dollars? You cant replace those lost years of that peronsons life, all those memories they would have had!No you can't, but you can give them whatever years of their life may remain. The most you can give a corpse is a larger tombstone.

//edit: fix ubb..

[This message has been edited by hd581 (edited 06-04-2000).]

[ILC]

Ok, I see this turning out to be a non ending argument between two extremely hard headed individuals. Lol.

First off when did I ever say that I believed in capitaol punishment for thiefs and such? Im talking about the death penalty for for murders, rapists etc. The real scum of the earth.

Ok, about the person who "turns over a new leaf" that would be absolutely fantastic (im in no way being sarcastic) but thats DOES not excuse them for who they killed in the past. Think about this, "What if" the criminal gets out of serving his time is HASNT changed like a vast majority of criminals. Then who knows how many people might/will die becuase that person is on the streets! Hey look, if you wanna spend billions on jails so we can take care of murders etc. then you set up your own fund and give me a tax break. I know I dont want to spend my taxes on some scummy losers, when it should goto schools, military, etc.

ILC

(Should I open a new post? This is WAY off topic of what it started to be)

[Warthog]

Ok...this is NEVER going to end. You guys will just keep on coming out with new arguments and counter-arguments.

Make peace and keep your opinions to yourselves http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

Warthog

[hd581]

Ok, I see this turning out to be a non ending argument between two extremely hard headed individuals. Lol.I couldn't agree w/ you more. First off when did I ever say that I believed in capitaol punishment for thiefs and such? Im talking about the death penalty for for murders, rapists etc. Well I don't believe in it period including these characters. But I have no more supporting arguments; I've spoken my mind on that part of it. Hey look, if you wanna spend billions on jails so we can take care of murders etc. then you set up your own fund and give me a tax break.I read somewhere that due to legal proceedings (multiple stays of executions, pardon requests, etc) and other stuff, it actually costs more to execute someone these days than to keep them in prison for life. I don't have a source to that, so you may disregard it if it suits you (not sure I believe it either hehe), but that's something to think about. Your point is valid here; my belief could cost you money. But saving yourself money is absolutely no grounds to dispute what is moral or immoral. The right thing to do is the right thing to do no matter what it costs. I know I dont want to spend my taxes on some scummy losers, when it should goto schools, military, etc.
..or confederate flags...LOL.

//edit: In regard to Warthog Censorship(tm):
Make peace and keep your opinions to yourselves .Uhm, no. This is very much On Topic in relation to your original post. And this particular forum lends itself to many opinions.

BTW, me and ILC are disputing each other calmly and logically. We've maintained peace at all times. It's not a flamewar. If you remain unconvinced, I will begin putting a smiley face at the end of my responses to appease you.

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif


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[ILC]

Lol this is getting sort of funny.

Well to start off it may come to a surprise to you (or most likely not) that I do not believe in taking it ten or more years to be executed, that is rediculous in my opinion. And I believe you 100% that it probally does cost more to execute someone then to put him in jail for life.However if it didnt take so long then it wouldnt cost so much. Haha duh.

Second, please dont get me started on the confederate flag again http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Do whats morally right, well hmm how can I argue with that one. I try to lead a good moral life, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with killing someone painlessly who cold bloodely killed someone else. Now it would be inhumane and immoral to kill the convicts slowly and painfully, but I dont see anything wrong with quick and painless.

ILC

[ILC]

Hd581 where are you! 24 hours and no return argument! Im waiting lol.

[Idnew]

ILC you have done a good job of dabating and I agree with you 100%. If we shorten all the appeals they are allowed which I believe they are trying to do then the sentence to be carried out will be sooner and less expensive.

[ILC]

Finally someone who agrees with me : )

[hd581]

Hd581 where are you! 24 hours and no return argument! Im waiting lol. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif I saw your reply but thought that we've now digressed to the point where our opinions just differ. If we shorten all the appeals they are allowed which I believe they are trying to do then the sentence to be carried out will be sooner and less expensive.Sure, but why stop there? Why not disallow appeals altogether? "You're guilty today, we'll execute you tomorrow." Or how about anyone who looks guilty we just go ahead and execute. There are safeguards in the justice system to prevent innocent people from being executed. How many innocent people is it acceptable to punish to execute 100 wrongdoers? Now THAT is strictly a matter of opinion.

[jad1097]

First off I believe in the death penalty. And I personally think they should bring back public hangings in the town square! And I believe that it would reduce the amount of violent crimes in our country.

But you are wrong in stating that 99.9% of those that have been killed by our country are guilty. Approx 7% of the people that are on death row are innocent! I am not sure about that exact amount and I will find a link to the exact amount if you wish but it is a fact but I really prefer not to waste my time.

[BBA]

Hmmm...this is interesting.

I do believe in the death penalty...but only for 100% verified violant criminals...not for those with circumstantial or uncertain witness testimony. I mean if they are caught red-handed...your pretty sure they deserve to die...other than that, you know you can make a mistake, so no death penalty.

The problem is, the law system of today does not think like that...they think in terms of technicality involving phrases like did the evidence come from an improper search? I don't care where the evidence came from, if it proves it...and compensate those who had their rights violated by the illegal search if they are found innocent!

I think rapist should be castrated at the least. I think child molesters should be publically flogged.

See...this bleeding heart christian BS is what is responsible for half of todays problems...lets not be mean to the person who just shot our family to death, he was on drugs or insane...just forgive him!

( Sure, I say pray for them over his/her grave! )


If criminals do not fear death from justice...then they will not fear killing you!

[Meat Puppet]

Hey Warthog here's a whole web site devoted to people who do incredibly stupid things and pay the ultimate price. http://www.darwinawards.com

I find it amazing that people put themselves into such bizarre situations, it's like a lethal pie in the face. "I feel for them but"...

[Axel]

Can't just leave it there - sorry -

How do "we" feel about the "insanity" defense....

Myself, being in favor of reasonably swift capital punishment for certain offenses ( drug dealing - rape - crimes against children to name a few ) am also totally against the insanity defense - If an insane person is violent, unpredictible, and commits murder, I'm for showing compassion for society and the human genome and eliminating the homicidally crazy person..... Funny you don't hear too many stories of "normal" people forgetting their medication and becoming homicidal.....

Otherwise, consider this - we (U.S.A.) have the largest prison population in the world - We have over 1.6 million people behind bars. As a Tax payer, I'm all in favor of limiting the number of appeals and the time span during which they can be filed before someone's execution is carried out. Conversely, I'm also in favor of pumping much more money into education - the great equalizer - and reducing the prison population of the future. I once met a former Dallas teacher of the year some time back and am painfully aware why our inner cities have such problems with education.... Had I not heard otherwise, I would have wondered if the man had ever successfully completed his Highschool education much less been a "teacher of the year".... We have to break the cycle of "those who can't do - teach...."

[hd581]

See...this bleeding heart christian BS is what is responsible for half of todays problemsI agree w/ ILC (for once http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif). This has nothing to do with it. At no point in my argument against Capital Punishment have I mentioned religion.

[ILC]

BBA that bleeding heart attitude? Hate to say this but im a strong christian and belive in the death penalty. Heck almost everyone in my church and other churches believe in the death penalty that I know.

ILC

[Axel]

How about putting more money into the space program so we can get a prison on the moon - they screw up - there's the door......

Which brings up another point - I'm all for assisted suicide in prison - probably save the tax payers billions a year......

[Warthog]

May he die slowly....
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/06/09/texas.death.row/index.html

That minister must have been in horrible pain.

He made us more keenly aware that he needs to be executed

Warthog

[ILC]

HD581 and all those other who oppose the death penalty....read that frekin link then tell me that man doesnt desreve to die. And for that example, not just die, but a VERY slow and painful death! He killed a 17 year old lifegaurd, then tried to cut off a 77 year old perachers arm with a razor blade! If no one else has the nerves to kill that man, send him to my house....ill end his life.

[Warthog]

**** right

Warthog

[Barney]

The family shouldn't sue the company,because they have already spared out an expensive funeral (they will only need a mathbox to burry her in).
Becuase of the reason she was got that compactor the company shouldn't be sued.
It is strange that things like that can happen with a gabage compactor.There are so many laws for machines like this about safeties so nobody gets hurt by one.There must/should be a law that forbids this automatic system to turn on by weight.

Ronald

[mudoggy]

I think there should be a law against stupidity.

Ummm... wait. If you think the jails are jam-packed full right now... maybe we better not enact that law! hahaha http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

hd581:
"quote:
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Probally aboout 99.9% of the people who have been executed HAVE been guilty, so you think we should quit the death penalty for that .1%??
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As a matter of fact, I do. Who knows? Perhaps some of the people who have been executed would have been the next Mother Teresa. Or Father Teresa. (Whatever, you get it). We don't know for certain. Probably never will. "

I understand the point you are trying to get across, but the above idea ultra-idealistic and so far remote, for all intents and purposes, it's nonexistent.

No law or punishment will be perfect, just as every law or statute enacted may infringe upon or "hurt" the minority who thinks their rights have been infringed upon. Some people think they shouldn't have to obey the speed limit, or that they CAN drive just fine while they are drunk. People have to move forcibly when a freeway is built through their property, seized by imminient domain. Etc. All of this and more is done to bring order or "improvement" to situations. There will always be a minority who are truly shafted or perceive they are shafted. That is the unfortunate price of democracy.

True, 7% may have been executed unjustly. Tragic and unfortunate, no arguement there. Think about how many monsters were executed, though, and how many lives were saved or remained unshattered and unscarred do to severe punishment, especially death. Maybe those that survived or weren't victims down the line will be the next samaritan, the person who discovers cures for cancer/AIDS/whatever. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

You will get no resistance from me that the justice system is not perfect, and mistakes will be made. Sadly, it is better than nothing, better having no other option than turning confirmed predators back onto the street once they have been "rehabilitated," and that the jails are full. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

I honestly don't have a better solution to the problem. How do you deter crime? Nothing we are doing now seems to be working great. Then again, it is often applied so haphazardly that any great idea would be less effective due to the whole process.

Don't even get me started on the lawyer end of it.

Oh, rapists should definitely be castrated, though. I'd bet a good sum of money you'd see the rape numbers go down!! Again, you need to be **** sure the person is guilty (ala death penalty), because while nearly all the time a rape will have occured, you WILL have some vengeful women (or men) framing people for one reason for another.. yikes! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
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Have a good one! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by mudoggy (edited 06-13-2000).]

[Warthog]

Ronald, buddy, haven't seen you in a while. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[ILC]

Mudoggy right on!

Actually I do think people should be killed for stealing. However im not talking about stealing physical things, im talking about the people who steal other peoples lives, steal the memories from the victums family and friends. Those are the thiefs that should be killed.

May I ask where everyone is getting that I think people who steal things should be killed? I thought I made that clear that the death penalty should be used on murders and rapists etc, not on burglars. And yes I do think rapists should be killed, personally I think rape is just as bad or worst then murder.

ILC

[AnakiMana]

Is there anybody here who hasn't ever stolen anything? I have, but I don't think I deserve death for it!

I believe that people deserve death according to the law. If the law in that country is the death penalty for shoplifting, and the shoplifter knows that, then the punishment should be fulfilled.

Now, I know she wasn't killed for shoplifting. She simply killed herself accidently, which happens to people all the time.

[Lgbpop]

As a public service, I am restoring a link to the story no longer available in post #1.:t

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.90.html

Trash compactor kills shoplifter
Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
Wed, 31 May 2000 22:53:46 -0500
Not a risk of a computer per se, but a risk of automation.

In the tradition of the reluctant mobster's "pressing engagement" in
"Goldfinger," it seems a hapless shoplifter, looking for a place to hide,
dived into a trash compactor...which triggered automatically, crushing her
to death.

The whole story is at
<URL:http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/31/compactor.death.ap/index.html> but
particularly noteworthy is the line, "The compactor starts automatically
when it senses a certain weight, [Police Officer Glen Woods] said." The
risk inherent in such a weight-related trigger should be readily apparent.

Chris Meadows aka Robotech_Master <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~robotech/>
robotech@eyrie.org robotech@jurai.net ICQ UIN: 5477383

Necromancers....If ya can't beat'em, join'em.:r

[BadDriver]

As a public service, I am restoring a link to the story no longer available in post #1.:t

http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.90.html



Necromancers....If ya can't beat'em, join'em.:r

Yer a freakin rookie. You ain't even worn the paint off your shovel yet. )-| :D

[Lgbpop]

I use a backhoe. Shovels are fer amateurs.:t

[BadDriver]

I use a backhoe. Shovels are fer amateurs.:t

Oh yeah, well I use dynamite............no wait..........................C4, yeah C4...........................no wait.........................I nuke.................large hadron collider...........JM broke it.................oh ferk..................Heroerest.................. crackle.......................zzzzzzzt............ BANG!!:(

[Shoreguy]

Anyone worth their weight would get in good with a Diener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diener) so you don't have to work any machinery....noobs.

[Lgbpop]

I like using machinery, thank you, and servants are expensive.;)

[BadDriver]

I like things that go boom. Explosives would be my preference. :cool:

[Lgbpop]

Hey Shoreguy, what's the latest on the weather? New Hamster looks like a war zone in the news photos.

[Shoreguy]

Hey Shoreguy, what's the latest on the weather? New Hamster looks like a war zone in the news photos.

...check my post BD :t set up