YES! Network Essentials down- 5 to go

[cyclone2]

Well 5 out of 6 in my class passed today, 933 for me. One guy that I figured would better me got a 700! He says his exam had a bunch of obscure protocol questions, That sucks!
Anyways off to study Workstation now. Cheers http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[jman01pa]

Congrats!

I passed Workstation two weeks ago. I took it first. I am taking server then Net Ess. after server. This is pretty cool stuff.


J http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[shadow]

Way to go cyclone!
Keep up the good work.
Looks like that soggy ol brain works just fine http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif
I dont hit the workstation and stuff like that for awhile. Have unix and A+ yet to go.
Congrats on the high mark genius.

[BBA]

Good job...only sucks that it becomes meaningless next year.

I would recommend that if you take any, take NT4, NT server 4 and NT server in the enterprise.

I'm not even concerned with NT4/Old track MCSE stuff anymore, W2K MCSE seems to be teh way to go.

Look here:

http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcp&PageCall=examstoretire&SubSite=examinfo

[socalgal]

Congrats, cyclone! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif These tests can't be easy.


Jman, congrats to you, too! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[MadMatt]

Have to disagree with ya, BBA. Microsoft is trying to cram Win2k down our throats and one tactic is their retirement of the NT4.0 MCSE track at the end of the year. NT4.0 is the established product. Many companies will not be moving to Win2k for a year or two and some for longer than that - If it ain't broke... IMHO, an MCSE who has NT 4.0 and Win2k experience (especially experience migrating from 4.0 to 2k) will be much more marketable (in the short term) than someone with only Win2k experience.

[AMDClocker]

i have to agree, nt 4is out there and ppl are gonna wait for ppl certified and the 2000 to be tested for a while before they jump on board.also the basis for 2000 is nt4 with some improvements ...know nt4 it will be invaluable in the field. plus you can upgrade to 2000 in just 4 tests instead of 7 (mcses that is)
just my 2 cents

[Nixona]

Isn't the Net Ess. test the only one you don't get MCP certification for passing? I'm sorry, but I was into the MCSE stuff, you know, I studied for something like 4 of the tests..then I read into it a bit more. No offense, but imho Passing these tests means nothing more than you are able to read and understand text. I mean, $100 per test, 6 tests. In something like a year (?) Everyone has to upgrade to win2k, which is one more test for full mcse, not sure how many for the mcp's and non-cert. Who has time for a job when you have to keep upgrading your certifications? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[MadMatt]

Welcome to the wonderful world of IT, Nixona. If you want to do this, plan on being in school until you retire. My employer sends me to a 1+ week class every 3 months or so, plus I take 12-15 units/year at local colleges. I plan on laying off that a bit after I get my MBA and a few more certs (CCNE mainly), but that's still 2+ years away. Getting the certs is very worthwhile, especially during the first 5 or so years of your career. A few well picked certs + 2-3 years experience = BIG$.

[Nixona]

There really isn't any welcoming to be done..I've been here a while. I see no reason in taking, at least, the mcse tests. A+, Cisco, and others have real world uses, and are actually taken seriously by employers. I helped teach freshman at the high school the mcse course, and got them passed in a couple different areas, but whats the point? You can pass all the tests and have no real-world experience or troubleshooting skills. You may know how NTFS works down to a niche, and you may be able to set up a server, but around here, exployers take the people with experience. Someone who walks in with ANY kind of experience, as little as a year, automatically beats out a fresh MCSE. This is the school district, we're not looking for einstein's or anything. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif To give you the idea of whats going on, we have a 1700 user email system, with 2750 computers in 30 buildings, each building with it's own routers, hub closets, and servers. 100% of the schools and 100% of the classrooms have internet access. It takes real world knowledge and experience on multiple levels to troubleshoot, diagnose, and fix problems in ours, and all others setups.

*** This is not meant to offend anyone, or create any harsh feelings. Please don't take it that way. I'm just another dumbass throwing his 2 cents in. Please don't flame me, just my ideas. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[cyclone2]

You just trying to depress me BBA? heh, At least I should be able to breeze (relatively speaking) through the 2000 exams and be NT4 and NT5 cert.
My classmate that got the sh***y test (a 700) went back the next day and pulled a 966. Thats what I figured he should have got the first time. Microsoft setting tests up to get extra money from people? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 07-14-2000).]

[cyclone2]

Nixona, I agree with you that experience means a lot, but I and many others dont have it. If this track gets us in the door to get experience then a MCSE WITH experience will go further and chances are make less mistakes (if trained properly) than those without training. We are not talking about Paper MCSE's though. Many places around have people around with no training Administering networks that are Costing the employers money because they dont know the ins and outs of the OS and its capabilities.
Just one thought re BBA's post, if everyone gets Win2000 cert. next year, wanna bet the year after Microsoft is going to demand you now get Windows.net cert. the year after!
Never going to end lets face it, the more you know the better in this field, and the more likely you are to get ahead. (and bring home more greenbacks http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif )

[barry glisson]

every test is $90.00 profit to microsoft with 1 million certs. thats 90 million in bills pocket with no expense. so how long do you think your certs. will last? barry

[tantone]

RE: Nixona's post

Well, let's see. You work for ONE school district in ONE area of the US?? Where I live (southwest), which is just like a different part of the US I lived last year (west coast), which in turn was very similar to another part of the US I lived before that (east coast), certifications are very worthwhile. I make the same $$ as a co-worker with 2 years more experience than I have because of my certifications. He has none and has no intention of getting any.

Now, as for something else you said. You actually think that A+ has real world uses??? Of all the certifications, that and Network+ are the most basic and are pretty much no-brainers to pass. What is it now, like 65% to pass the A+ exams? After taking the MCSE courses, you learn all the stuff in A+ pretty much.

[jman01pa]

These certifications are worth alot to many people. I love learning this stuff. In my job I maintain the network and computers but nothing hardly goes wrong. That leaves little chance of experience. MCSE prep coarse I am taking is the only real shot at any practicle knowledge. We do labs and share experiences as well as tests, tests and more tests. We have a ton of resources given to us. This is alot of work and the end result will be self satisfaction. I will the have the knowledge and the confidence to sell myself to a current or future employer for $$$$.

I doubt that most experienced network admins could pass the MCSE without alot of hard work.

How many employers actually know what an MCSE is anyway?

J http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif