can we post for macs too?

[starcraft_azzkikr]

this thing says for IT pros and pc enthusiasts. i know many IT pros that use macs because it makes their life a lot eaisier for them cuz they hardly ever break. so can we post topics about macs here?

SA

[Mlope]

Your question brings to mind that TV commercial...

"Can you breathe without a TIC-TAC?"
the answer is:
"Sure, but we wouldn't recommend it"

[Mntsnow]

Post away http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif Many of us use and have to support MAC's and have done so in the past so I dont see any reason why that would have changed http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[jl123]

Oh yeah sure go ahead. No prob. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

By the way i saw the G4 today at Compusa and they are expensive!! $3200 or something like that(in the 3000 range). And i was playing around with that and it really didn't seem to fast. But i do like the cases. They don't seem as small as HP's. hehe http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

~Joel(jl123)

[medo]

Nobody is perfect.


Medo
http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Warthog]

LOL Medo http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[NeilTrain]

just goes to show how much a pretty case will help computer sales.

The last time i compared a mac and a PC i was running win 95 on 8 megs of ram, and on the other side i had a power mac 5200, i think it had 48 megs of ram.

The Mac crashed about twice a day, the PC crashed about twice a month. The mac also would not let me open more than 3 applications, saying it was out of memory, the PC, though slow, never told me i couldnt open more, it just kept on going, i had over 12 apps open at a time on that little P-75.

I never heard of anyone overclocking a MAC, can it be done? done easily? there are a lot of the overclocking type around here.

It also seems to me that the people around here are into bargains; they like to get the most bang for the buck, and as far as mac and PC components compare, the components for a MAC are about 3 times the price of the equivalent PC component, ouch $$$

For some strange reason every mac person i ever met absolutely hated Bill Gates, like whats the big deal, so he's loaded, who cares. Are you going to support an entire inferior industry solely on the grounds that there are tons of people who hate bill gates?? I guess so.

I know im probably going to catch hell for this, but its been a while since ive vented my pet peeves about the Mac.

Apres moi le deluge,
- Neil

[Warthog]

Nah, you're in a good place. Most of us hate macs (although if you have questions, we would answer them).

Anyway, I'd back you up. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

I could go on for quite a while speaking my mind about macs. The same the about AOL. It is true that macs stuff is a **** load more expensive than PC. There's a worthless mouse called Mouse In A Box that retails for about $15-20 for PC and is close to $50 for Mac.

What the hell?

It's not just the mouse - it's everything. EVERYTHING. That Jobs guy must go by some freaky @$$ rules or something, to sell parts that cost so much.

It's a complete ripoff. Supposedly their processors are better but why are AMD and Intel world leaders in that category? Mac isn't included. Plus the claimed speed advantage is offset by the absurd price.

I just don't understand the logic in it all. Why buy a mac???? There is no advantage whatsoever!! You have to have special software, peripherals, funky colors, weird case design, not nearly as many accessories...the list goes on and on.

Warthog

[mgordon99]

Yes, and when the PC makers use funky colors and weird cases, Apple sues them. So they get more money for their inferior product line.

[Ultima]

Quote:

Nobody is perfect.

Well, guess what happens to be my middle name??!!
Haahahahaha

I wouldn't even wanna be perfect, cause then one would get so predictable!!!

Pim

[starcraft_azzkikr]

Advertising,
the one word can make a world of diffrence in the world today and macintosh doesn't have it. also the mac processors are faster. they have built in graphics processors and also they have the graphics processor on the card(g4). I really like thir processors and busses because form what i have read they run at 2x bus speed. that means that the 400mhz cpus have a 200 mhz bus. that would more than likely contribute for their speed. Also i dislike what macintosh is doing now. they are using ide internaly instead of scsi. i mena i have an old powerbook 100 and it even uses scsi drives internally. i'm trading off an old 486/160mhz w/ 40 mb or ram and all the accessories installed for an old preforma 475 but in my opinion the preforma runs a lot faster than the 486 both graphics and not. the preforma has 36mb of ram so it's not that bad off.

SA

[Nanea]

Mac and PC comparison:

Any one knows the difference between the
Power Mac Processor G4-400mhz and the Pentium
III Xeon 400?
Internal Cache? Mac... PC...
External Cache? Mac... PC...up to 1MB
Front Side Bus Mac... PC...Up to 133 mhz
Type or RAM Mac... PC...UP to PC133
AGP Bus Speed Mac... PC...Up to 4X
PCI Bus Speed Mac... PC...
Processor Bus Mac... PC...
Fastest HD supp Mac... Pc...Quantum Atlas
Firewire supp. Mac... Pc...Through a card
Number of RAM Mac... PC...2 GB RAM
Multi Processor Mac... PC...Yes

When someone get's all the answers above,
I believe that the Power PC is similar to
the Xeon or the Athlon Processor. Has any
one ever did a winbench or some sort of speed
comparison between the Power Mac and the PC
counterparts.? Any Links?

Thank YOu.

[AnakiMana]

Hey Warthog: You mentioned that AMD & Intel are world leaders in the microchip industry... well actually Motorola (which makes processors for Macs) are *more* world leaders than AMD & Intel. I went to www.fortune.com (http://www.fortune.com) yesterday and looked at the Fortune 500 companies and lo-and-behold Motorola was #37. Intel was #39. AMD was #522!

I must agree with Starcraft about the importance of marketing. A good example was in the mid to late 80's and Atari. Their 16/32-bit computers were the best systems at the time, especially compared to the horrible PCs back then. But why aren't they around anymore? Bad marketing (or should I say lack of marketing).

I'm not a Mac user, but I welcome the proliferation of them! The computer industry doesn't have to be dominated by one type. I like the fact that we have options. People can buy according to their personal tastes. What I don't understand is why people get bashed for having different tastes than ours.

AnakiMana

[Warthog]

That list is ALL the top 500 companies. Not JUST those in the microchip industry. Of course Motorola is going to be higher - they make many more products besides processors.
Motorola is a bigger business but not better at making processors IMO.

Warthog

[Josh42]

Macs are awesome!!! Don't ever let people tell you otherwise.

P.S. For your overclocking needs check out http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

[akaBruno]

What's a Mac?

[starcraft_azzkikr]

a mac is a very well desighned (some flaws i'll admit that) but it has a lot of nice features. they are fast. they have an onboard video processor. and also about the agp thingy at 4x. that is a buncha bull ****. the agp bus hardly gets challenged at all i mena intel only desighned it for apps that really needed the floor room fo the agp slot and speed. BUT we havn't even reached the amount of max floor space for the pci yet. there are like 5-2 frames a sec slower for pci then agp. it's not that big at all. and i would think that beacuse the g4's have an onboard vid procesor they would go alot faster.in 3d apps. but i kinda feel sorrie for macintosh now. that **** on chip vid processor is making their chips run so many gflops per sec it's concidered a super computewr and they can't ship out of the us because super computers are concidered weapons and you can't LEGALY ship weapons out of the us. sux for them huh?

SA
Have a nice day :::::::::::: )

P.S. I now have the coolest girlfriend in the world. she rock(sorrie for getting off topic just thought i would say this http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif )
**EDIT**
I have a Q what do you guys mean by be diff them bill gates i mena they just write software. and if i'm not mistaken they also write for macs too. so what are you guys talking about i know aobut the microsoft vs. mac thingy but i mean they write things for mac too what's it all about. **** WINDOWS http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by starcraft_azzkikr (edited 06-13-2000).]

[**StoneCold_Katie**]

I think the mac vs Microsoft thing is so stupid and plus microsoft is much better some people think, I don't know what I think but oh well.

P.s Kyle if you read this don't laugh.
I have the best boyfriend. Sorry to bring that up. Bye

[Warthog]

LOL Bruno http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
I love that random humor (that's what I was talking about in your thread about being Senior) http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Starcraft, that's what I call a RTOTD - Random Thought Of The Day. You can catch me doing those once in a while. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[hd581]

I never heard of anyone overclocking a MAC, can it be done? done easily?Yes and depends. Yes: I've heard of someone o/c'ing a G4/400 -> 500. Depends: On what you mean by easy. I wouldn't even call x86 o/c'ing easy when you have to consider cooling, AGP compatibility, PCI compatibility, hard drives, etc. I must agree with Starcraft about the importance of marketing. Yeah me too. !@%#^@ Zip Drives... The last time i compared a mac and a PC i was running win 95 on 8 megs of ram, and on the other side i had a power mac 5200, i think it had 48 megs of ram.Back then, the Mac was more closely implemented as RISC and RISC processors tend to increase code size b/c of smaller instructions on-chip. Which means they'll need more memory.

This might sound silly, but my biggest gripe w/ Macs is that 1 button mouse. There is just so much utility available for that 2nd button; I don't understand why Apple is being so hard headed about 1 button. I really hope they have a better reason than just wanting to distinguish themselves from Gates and Co., as NeilTrain suggested.

Also, don't be fooled by the clockspeed. 400MHz of a well designed architecture (read highly parallel) can be much faster than a 600MHz processor designed poorly. Even within chip families this is apparent: A 486-66 is no where near as fast as a Pentium-60.

[This message has been edited by hd581 (edited 06-13-2000).]

[AnakiMana]

This might sound silly, but my biggest gripe w/ Macs is that 1 button mouse. There is just so much utility available for that 2nd button; I don't understand why Apple is being so hard headed about 1 button.

Not all Mac mice have 1 button. Most have 2 or 3 (if you count the wheel). Some Mac users seem to actually like the 1 button though! I would personally hate it cuz I like the little right-click menus. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif Oh well, who cares as long as you have options, right?!

AnakiMana

[Inferior]

NO!!!!

hehehehehe, just kiddin..... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

But I won't be able to help ya.... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Warthog]

Yeah, I HATE having to scroll the "normal" way http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif. When I have to use a mouse without the wheel, I find myself rubbing the plastic on the mouse's back. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[starcraft_azzkikr]

LAZY....hehe
That is what pc users are becoming . http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif everytime one of my friends gripes about having to use a mac i just say that he's too lazy to hold down the button to brows menues and also he is too lazy to move the mouse the few inches that it is to get it to the top of the screen so that he can do something

But i'll admit those little right-click meus are nice and also that scroll wheel. golly i get annoyed if i have to scroll the "normal" way http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

SA