Sweet VW Golf Video, look inside......

[Missing the point]

lol, this is THE ULTIMATE!!!!!!!

DUal Turbo VR6's, one front, one back http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
I estimated it to be about 9 second 1/4 mile http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

http://members.aol.com/vwmotorsport/private/dub2k.mpe

[F=ma]

The video showed it pulling 12's...

And any hatchback with 12 cylinder had better be sub 9 with any decent traction.

btw do you know if those two engines are on the same crank or if they're powering the Front and Rear axles independantly... I imagine such a setup to be quite difficult to arrange.

I don't believe that Golf's are available with 4motion/quattro tranny's so I'm interested in how he's got it working.

[Missing the point]

one in front, powering the front wheels, one in back, powering the back wheels.


BTW, Its MY CAR!!!!!!!


kidding

[F=ma]

and no differential in between? yah I'd like to see what happens when he doesn't get traction on either the fronts or the rears... UH OH!!!!

nother question, are they comepletely independant but identical? ie running the same boost and linked to the same fuel control and ECU?

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[Warthog]

So.....how fast is that?

I tried to do it in my head, but I got lost.....and I'm tired....yeah.... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[F=ma]

Did the video not say 12 at the beginning?

yeah just a quick rough est. and I got 13...

Funny thing is he basically strips everything to lose that weight then he lets someone else ride in it, addin 140-180 lbs, lol.

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[Missing the point]

^_^


*bump*

[Eli]

Twin motors? I have an R/C car I set up like that... A dual motor New Beetle. The closest thing to a hatchback that I'd ever be interested in...

[Warthog]

LOL Eli! While on the R/C subject, I never really got into those much. Used to have a hovercraft too. It wasn't that fun though http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif.

Warthog

[Missing the point]

I got a 3 time championship off road R/C car.

Those championships werent won by me unforunayly

[krusty the klown]

Hehe... I had an RC car... It was OK, but a bit slow.... so I took the 12V motor off one of those car tyre inflators and stuck 2 NiCads in it (14.4V). I couldn't steer, but it could pace some rich kid's petrol RC car, which really p!ssed him off. It was fun till I stripped the gearbox http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/redface.gif

[Eli]

I'd be a much richer man if I hadn't gotten into R/C cars... lol Some evidence:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=416385&a=4975123

MTP, I'm sorry this is so off topic... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[Warthog]

That's a cool collection, Eli http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif. I always thought the big R/C tanks were cool. Never could afford one when younger, though, because they cost around $130.
http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
Warthog

[alpha]

No, Golfs do come with 4motion trannies - only the later 4motion models though - not even sure if you can get them in Ireland - you can get them in Germany though.

[Missing the point]

In North America, Golfs cant come with all wheel drive of any sort, not 4Motion, or Syncro.

[socalgal]

Eli, those are cool. Did that boat actually float? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif I mean, did you run it the water? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

(don't laugh... I'm RC-challeged) http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Missing the point]

I have a feeling that noone even looks at the Video anymore, this has turned into a RC Thread http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[Eli]

Sorry MTP, but one more addition to the R/C side...

Yes ma'am, Socalgal, the boat did run on the water. A pic of that would've been nice eh? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Sorry again MTP, at least this is no farther off the topic of computers than your original post. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[F=ma]

Well Missing the Point, I was interested in it, if you knew more details about it, I'm sure the guy is pretty famous for doin all that custom work on a Golf.

I find it really interesting to have a car with two engines running on the same tranny, powering indepedant axles, especially both with turbo's...

Lets revive the topic and tell all the R/C nutheads to get lost. (j/k)

[Eli]

Is that a civic the Golf is overtaking in the video? Hardly a remarkable achievement, I've done that in my father's minivan... http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

(See, I can post on topic. Sort of... lol)

[socalgal]

MTP, I looked at the vid http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[alpha]

Actually, overtaking a civic would be an achievement - you're obviously not familiar with the 1.6l Vtec - it revs out to like 9000rpm and is damned fast. I heard that someone put the engine in a mini and it did a standing quarter faster than a porsche 911.

[F=ma]

Eli: Is that a civic the Golf is overtaking in the video? Hardly a remarkable achievement, I've done that in my father's minivan...

Yeah, that's true, but then again, I can beat a Golf in my car. Does that mean that I'm faster than every VW Golf out there? Including that one? Hardly. Point is, I'm pretty **** sure that's not a stock civic.

alpha: Actually, overtaking a civic would be an achievement - you're obviously not familiar with the 1.6l Vtec - it revs out to like 9000rpm and is damned fast. I heard that someone put the engine in a mini and it did a standing quarter faster than a porsche 911

Well the highest end Civic motor is the B16A, a 1.6 Liter Dual Overhead Cam VTEC. Its redline is 7500rpm. (9000rpm is a mild exaggeration, the Honda 2.0 Liter F20C powerplant mounted in the S2000 does rev to 9000rpm). And as for beating one? Well lots of things to consider, mostly details, if it was from a stop, transmission (auto/manaul), atmospheric conditions. Also ppls definitions of 'fast' is pretty subjective. The fastest Civic will run a 15.7 second quarter mile. Which I consider peppy, or spirited. Not exactly fast, but definitely not a slouch. The slowest Civic's are geez, I spose around 18's or higher. Yeah, that's pretty slow.

And as for Hybrids, be ware those vehicles have amazing potential. You're comepletely changing the Power/Weight ratio when you do a motor swap, esp if Forced Induction is involved.

Eli: Yeah, and sone guy once told me on ICQ that his civic beat a Corvette down a strip. I told him that it's bad for the Vette to leave it in first gear for a whole race...

LOL yeah I hear that... The vette is fast. (high 12's 1/4 mile), but its not unheard of for a Civic to be that fast.

Eli: I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you have to dump so much money into a clunker to get it to beat another car that you could have just bought the other car in the first place, and have a nicer, more reliable car to boot, it's a total waste of time.

Sometimes ppl don't have a choice as to what car they get. Many times, import enthusiasts just start modifiying the car their parents helped them get when they were 16/17 if they're that lucky. Also the straight line isn't everything to everyone. A lot of ppl just go for a 'fun' car, that hits a health exhaust note, and is a bit quicker than stock form. Believe me, if they wanted to go that fast, they could. And as for the age-old 'just get the faster car in the first place' How about, An Acura Integra GSR, brand new out the door: $23,500.
Drag Generation III Turbo @ 13 Psi, with turbo timer, wastegate, boost controller, and any other goodies you want including installation: $6000.
The engine will put out 300+ hp to the wheels, when stock is 150hp. The car will run low to mid 12's. What do you know, that'll beat a 911, NSX, 355, Cobra, Corvette, and hang with a Dodge Viper. All for Less than 30 grand. So arguably, Eli, it does pay off to modify a car.

[Missing the point]

The other car there is a Still fat highly modified VW Rabbit. It looks like its standing still tho, when the Golf passes it.

[BBA]

Hmmm......

My daily driver corvette with my 383 stroker/roller cam/Brodix heads/Holley Projection seems a little better than all that.

I have time slips in 11 second quarters...on the street tires I drove it there on, with exhaust...all throttle, no bottle.

Whats so impressive about 12's or 13's?

[F=ma]

BBA Whats so impressive about 12's or 13's?

If you're not impressed with 12's or 13's then you're not impressed with any car that pulls those times right? Thus a Dodge Viper, or Acura NSX, or Ferrari 355 don't interest you since they all run 12's (which aren't impressive) and your daily driver is faster than that.

My point was that 12's comin from a 1.8 Liter 4 Cylinder IS impressive. And I don't think anyone can deny that.

[BBA]

Well...it's not slow.

Just not impressive if your around speed equipment much, and know what you are doing. I bet theres a lot more money in that 4 cyl engine alone than I have in the entire car I have. Since I like to reduce things to the simplest factors, I see this much speed being this much money and have to equate if something is worth it or not.

And if you put a turbo or two on almost any of the cars you mentioned ( which cost too much anyway...) then 12's would be a disappointment...don't you think?

I mean automatic transmission Buick V6 full size cars run 8 to 10 second quarters on street tires as normal drivers. ( Tweak a GNX, hehe )

Thats impressive.

[F=ma]

BBA . Since I like to reduce things to the simplest factors, I see this much speed being this much money and have to equate if something is worth it or not.

Well I was going for a little bit of Balance, The Integra GSR has a fair amount of features geared towards convenience. But I spose if you're after numbers and raw speed I can work that out too.

A Honda CRX is a great platform to start with, has the same engine mounts as any B-series Honda motor, and its small, reliable, stable, ride that's fit for daily driving and can produce good #'s at the track.

I've found one at www.classifieds2000.com (http://www.classifieds2000.com) for $3000, how about that. Now an Integra GSR engine (B18C) will be a good motor with transmission and installation - $4000. Slap on a Turbo as afore mentioned - $6000.
13 grand. Not too shabby.

Now for #'s:
Lets see, a CRX weighs 2255 lbs. At 13 psi that'd put about 320+ hp to the wheels. How about that, it comes out to 10's. And that's a FWD 1.8 L 4 cylinder.

And if you put a turbo or two on almost any of the cars you mentioned ( which cost too much anyway...) then 12's would be a disappointment...don't you think?
BBA, dude. Those cars (Ferrari 355, Acura NSX, Dodge Viper) all run 12's stock. If you put a turbo on them they'd better run 10's or lower!

Oh yes, and to the displacement jingle you all dance to, the Ferrari is a 3.5 Liter car. The NSX is 3.2 Liters. The Viper is 8 Liters. Rated by EPA as all in the same class, measured at the track, independently, and by official car testers. They all run 12's. How about that, a 3.2 Liter car running the same times as an 8.0 Liter car. Well ****, I guess there's a replacement for displacement after all.

[Missing the point]

Its called weight http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[rtyp3]

Wow, how the hel did they rig that up...

[Eli]

I saw on TV a civic doing low 9s... My brother was impressed until they revealed that it was an 1/8th mile.

As for people not having a choice in the car they start out with, sure that's true. But there are ways around that. Besides, a lot of the time just the upgrades someone dumps into one of these four wheeled motorcycles cost as much as a simple used Camaro or Firebird. Plus if they sold the original clunker they could soup up the nice car and really have something to be proud of.

[Eli]

Yeah, and sone guy once told me on ICQ that his civic beat a Corvette down a strip. I told him that it's bad for the Vette to leave it in first gear for a whole race...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you have to dump so much money into a clunker to get it to beat another car that you could have just bought the other car in the first place, and have a nicer, more reliable car to boot, it's a total waste of time.