Ceedee issue, censorship, SysOpt protocol

[SysOpt]

Before we see yet another account created by Ceedee (Dog of Ceedee, Aunt of Ceedee, etc.), I thought I'd take a moment to shed a bit more light on the way the admin folks here think. People who have been here a while know all of this, but our newer visitors (who aren't quite as obnoxious as our Ceedee friend) may not.

The fact that Ceedee used the word "****e" (spelling?) does not matter. Obsene language in the right context is not all that objectionable (and as he explained, that word wasn't even obscene in his country). What was objectionable about saying that "Win2k is ****e" is that the statement is worthless (doesn't help anyone, isn't an intelligent opinion, etc.). He posted dozens upon dozens of similarly worthless posts, without posting any kind of helpful messages. Both myself and Socalgal posted several messages trying to steer him in the right direction - urging him that we have the right to remove posts and moderate the forum as we see fit.

The bottom line is that these types of issues come up every now and then, perhaps once a month or every couple months. Someone new to the board won't understand the nature of the community, and will be disruptive. They'll use the word "censorship", rant about how strict this board is compared to others, etc. Our community of thousands of users always comes to our defense, defending the way we run this site and this board. It is not like other sites - sysopt.com is owned by EarthWeb, a company catering to the Information Technology professional. Before EarthWeb bought SysOpt, the site was more professional than other hardware sites out there, and served a higher caliber audience than other sites, and those truths remain the backbone of the site today. That's what we strive for here, professionalism. That doesn't mean zero fun, it means respect for others and intelligent posts. Sometimes, after we ask a new user to shape up, they do so, and become a great member of the community. But sometimes that doesn't work, they continue to post ****, and we have to ban the user.

If Ceedee can come back and be a HELPFUL member of the community, I don't have a problem letting him back on. But if he comes back, posts 15 worthless messages a day, and goes off on continual rants about how we love censorship, etc., he is not welcome here. I have received several complaints about his posts (which is rare) and I don't want him to further irritate our community if he can't demonstrate some maturity.

Scott

[akaBruno]

Has anybody seen my hamster?

[OuTpaTienT]

Don't ya think it's really a shame that such a detailed explanation is needed here SysOpt? AFAIC(oncerned) it boils down to two words: common sense.

[jadison]

Here, here Sysopt!

I go by the same book, I love this BBS and what everyone here has to offer, there's none other like it! It has kept its great reputation and will continue to do so with the help of all us...and the moderators http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

It's not a perfect world, but we make the most of it.

-jd-

[Gene C.]

spoken with true excellent, and yes I do believe you have to break it down for some. for if they could see for themselves. you wouldn't have to keep reminding them.

and after my pop-corn-popping post. and the way it got to some members. I'm glad you did this. but, I still think it is a shame when you have to follow members around.

and as for sysopt being a top hardware site. just do a simple search for a hardware question while on a board outside the u.s. and mostly likely you will ses sysopt listed in the top ones.

so, in other words. the world is watching what goes on at this board too!!!

[jman01pa]

Nicely said.

J http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[krusty the klown]

Shame it had to go this far http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

Easily avoided with a little........ common sense

[reddog4629]

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif

[buddmann]

Nicely put SysOpt.-keep up the good work

buddmann

[tonym]

Good job.

I personally thought that Ceedee was either:

a. drunk or
b. stoned

as the context of the "ceedee" threads was at best incoherent and at worst rambling and nonsensical.

IMHO, you didn't need to rationale, although the courtesy of your explanation is greatly appreciated.

Now Ceedee, if you're out there watching/reading, smarten up a little and try to post cogent, coherent and somewhat topical posts and replies.

Tony

[Axel]

Sysopt's statements follow my own philosophy - descriminate against stupid people.

BRAVO Sysopt!

I come here to help and sometimes be helped. I've directed dozens of others here and like it the way it is. CEEDEE has no business here.

[CMonster]

I certainly agree.

As for Ceedee's comments about Win2K; I'll be the first to admit that this is the first I'm hearing about them - I never read it.

I think he must have been a recent convert from W9x - thinking that Win2K was the next upgrade kernel. He was probably shocked to find that after the lengthy install and obliteration of his previous 9x install - some of his hardware actually didn't work.

Sure glad he didn't decide to try Linux.

[Gutter Ball]

Well rules are rules and if someone can't follow them even after repeated warnings, then see ya! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif Way to put your keyboard down!!! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Mntsnow]

Ahem to that! Please keep SysOpt going in the direction that it has in the past. (professional in nature and maturity and NO this does not mean age!) I pretty much have given up on most of the other hardware/software BBS as I got tired of the "BS" that seems to so proliferate at the other sites.

Thanks for making SysOpt the best on the net.

Mntsnow

[Target]

Ditto to everything Mntsnow just said!

[alan]

well what can i say seems like my brother-in-law has stirred up quite a hornets nest.
i would like to see him back here, he is an intelligent guy, and if he does which i dont know if he will or not because i havnt spoken to him today im sure you all will afford him the curtisy of allowing him a second chance.
alan

[jman01pa]

Ouch!

[wtp]

Ceedee should research on the EX-SYSOPT user "WTF" http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

wtp http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[pickel]

This ceedee guy came over to Romulus whineing about Sysopts. I saw a few of his posts , which , in principle, I agreed with but must have missed the others. Everybody makes a stupid post once in a while, and I'm no exception ( except PC Mechanic) and Like Sysopt's said , if the boy wants to participate and hold up his end of the rope , so be it. Additudes can change, I'm sure the dude can contirbute, Like Alan said , he seems to be a pretty bright guy. It's your move CEEDEE!!!!!

[Biff]

I got no beefs w/SysOpt, and I like the professional aura it displays and stands for, good job adm.

[awwall]

Expertly put Scott, couldn't agree with you more. Abosulutely no sense in this sort of stuff.

[rtyp3]

I want to say, I love this site, and I love the forums. But don't you think that some of you guys could lighten up a little. I have read some of the pointless posts from ceedee, and they gave me quite a few laughs (Dog of ceedee... heh). It is really unnecessary for people to be offended by some of that stuff. Even if he was being honest in saying something like that about Win2k, he is perfectly entitled to his own opinion. But seriously, there is no reason for this to grow into that big of a deal. If some of you would lighten up, read it again or something, you may find it kind of humorous that some people are that desperate for attention. I sure did.

[SilverDisk]

ok as i said in my private post to scott or socalgal(private means private even thou i noticed it did get a few replies from others)
i said to them i was sorry it got out of hand .i meant that.
the only reason i posted as son of ceedee etc
was that my other name was booted and my ip address was frozen from sysopt.
it was tricky to get round that.
Anyway as i was saying i asked them to delete all posts concerning me and assured them i would not post to this forum again
i thought that would be the end of it
i also apologised to romulus for mentioning the saga there but poeple asked me and i told them
i asked romulus to do the same and remove any negative posts by me re sysopt.
I would not have posted this but for one reason.
some of you seem to think alan is in fact me.
hes not.
hes my brother in law.
if we posted from the same ip address as someone claims i dont know how that happened as we dont even use the same isp.
This will definately be my final post
if you wish to continue flaming me then so be it
you can email me at mailceedee@ic24.net and have a go in person if you like.
sorry again for all the fuss but to be fair it takes two to tango.
If you think i am being insincere then i dont really know what more i can do
regards
ceedee

[cyclone2]

I second that motion Scott!
As for Silverfish-Ceedee- Dog of Ceedee etc
If you read through these and other posts here YOU ARE WELCOME as is everyone. The more the merrier! BUT all we ask of you is to be polite, helpful AND have a good sense of humor, Not a blithering idiot, ignorant or irritating. With your last post you seem to have a head on your shoulders, just use it properly and everyone(or almost everyone/can't please em all) will welcome you.
Unfortunately you probably got blasted good- even by me- due to the recent incident with someone else who did the exact same thing!
This is a great place to learn, chat, help others and share a wealth of information with other crazy people (I mean people crazy about computers).
Its all about friends and family,
So its welcome back or goodbye- your choice
my 99 cents worth

[Warthog]

rtyp3, I noticed you've been a member since the 11th. If you had been aboard longer, you would notice that the members here have a FANTASTIC sense of humor. Personally, I'm very nonchalant - it takes A LOT to get my feathers ruffled http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif.

Only one other situation, even remotely similar, has occured since my membership in late '99.

I would welcome ceedee back here anytime. Although I would recommend that he come under an unrealated name. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Warthog

[johnpaul]

Ditto, ditto, ditto, SysOpt. You made the right choice.

JP

[skywalker[TSG]]

i ditto that too

this board is the finest in the world
with almost 9000members it bound to be some rotten apples but then again i dont really care

but its a shame that a person who obviosly do not have a social life
comes in here and behaves like a 5year old girl who dropped her ice cream in the sand or something

way to go scott
this may seem hard to some people
but the line has to be drawn somewhere

my 2cents.

[alpha]

I think WTF should be allowed back - he's learned his lesson and I believe he'd be a good sysopt member.

[Sharpy]

I'm replying to this post against my better judgement but here goes -

First i'd like to agree with Scott and say it was good of him to explain the situation and allow members to have their say on the subject.

Second i'd like to say that i don't personely no ceedee and don't agree with his oppinion of Win 2K or the way expressed it.

My main reason for posting though is the response from some members which to me seem worse than ceedee's offence, which was to give his oppinion on a piece of software that he didn't like.

In my oppinion directly insulting a member whether past or present is a far worse breach of the rules than insulting a piece of software and for those insult's to come from well respected members of this forum makes it even worse.

I was going to quote the offensive comments but have decided to leave it at that as i think i have gotten my point across.

[cockney]

Basically there is three things wrong here ,

1 - Ceedee isnt here to defend himself so while everyone here continues to agree with sysopt on this matter , some of us out there have a completely different view on this , I am not saying that some of the things Ceedee said were right but what i am saying is that a light hearted comment every now and then doesnt hurt anyone and it seems that this just cant be done on this forum , which brings me to my next comment.
2 - Win2k is ****e (as Ceedee would put it) , every Operating System from M$ is , come off it if Linux were to bring out any OP with the driver and gaming support of Windows or any other company for that matter , at least half of us would switch in a flash , what other company except M$ would release an OP with more bugs in it than a 6 month old cooked chicken , this comment i'm sure wasnt meant to offend anyone.
3 - I personally had a post inwhich one of my own friend put in a funny remark , this was a personal joke between 2 or 3 of us but alot of the sysopt gang took offence to his humor , THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE , bar me and my mate , i never sat down and cried about the matter so why should you?

basically what i'm saying is lighten up a bit as this is a great forum but alot of users seem to have to put there dummy back in and do it quick.
I will probably get slated for this but I feel that someone should act for Ceedee in his defence.

[Warthog]

What the heck...you guys who have only been visiting Sysopt for a week or so are saying that we need to lighten up. Look at my previous post.

If you stick around you'll see how great the members at Sysopt really are....

Warthog

[An0m4ly]

Yea but first impressions last etc..


~An0

[Sharpy]

If your reffering to me Warthog then i suggest you check my profile and i think you'll find i have been a member here a little longer than yourself and was reading this forum for quite a while before that.

Niether do i see the relevence between how long you have been a member and whether you have the right to express an opinion.

[An0m4ly]

Im sure its not just ceedee that thinks wink2 is ****e. No doubt there are many members that think the same. But should you be banned for expressing your opinion ?? I dont think so.


~An0

[cockney]

Warthog you have just proved exactly what i've just said , put yer dummy back in , that like the old one at school we all used to say , MY DADS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD , it doesnt matter how long you've been a member its all about expressing your opinion on this certain discussion , like you have your own opinion , but how long anyone has been a member here at sysopt is not an issue , having a sense of humour and cracking yer face once in a while and smiling is , just like they said to my mate and ceedee i'm gunna repeat to you , If you dont have anythink constructive to say , dont say anything http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Mntsnow]

Well,

I will step back into this as I was the one that "flamed" CeeDee on the "win2K is ****e" thread.

I "flamed" Ceedee NOT because he expressed his thoughts of Win2K BUT because of his LACK of VALUE to the thread...He DIDN'T explain WHY he thought Win2K was "****e" or anything remotely like that, He DIDN'T offer any advise or help! I also included a http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif so he could see that I was not trying to be mean or anything like that. I also included something to the effect of "If you don't have any helpful or constructive to say then it is best not to say anything at all" Found it my whole post was

Ceedee,
What the F*#* are you talking about? Obviously you dont know ()$* about OS's http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Win2K is great for those that use a OS that is NETWORK intensive!

Mntsnow

ps. If you dont have anything to say that is constructive....Please keep it to your self!



To anyone and all that think I was wrong in what I did I will offer my appology. At the time of the "win2K is ****e" thread Ceedee was already in trouble for not following the established forum policys that the rest of the membership follow and prefer (as this thread points out)
Such as posting MANY off topic threads, Posting to a thread that was just building his post count ect ect.

I will stand behind what I said/did and take whatever "flak" anyone has to say about it but this is not the place for it. My Email addy's are listed in my profile and your welcome to voice your thoughts directly to me

Mntsnow
*edited to add my exact posting that was in question*

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[jadison]

Jeez, Louise...
I see a group of people babbling on and on...and on about a subject matter that was basically already dealt with. I'm not being negative here, but let's all stop rambling on about one related issue or another. LET"S MOVE ON
Leave this incident behind us, if ceedee wants to join he will, if Sysopt or any of the other moderators want to say more they will, but let's just stop nit-picking at eachothers words, let this thread go.
Seems like if a member hits just the wrong button it starts a chain reaction that goes on for days. Anyway, I agree with most that there should be acceptable behavior here, more intellectual talk and less ****. Were all easy-going people for the most part, and I would call this a "family" almost, http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
That's what I have to say, I hope I could bring a little more closure to this matter.

Thank You
-jd-

[jman01pa]

Mntsnow I agree with you 100%. I doubt anyone here will have a problem with you. unless they are related to Ceedee, his mother, Son and bro-in-law. Anyone have a count of all his usernames? I even question the newbies that have defended him. If they are not him then I apologize. But history has shown us he is capable of it. I have a question then I am done. Why did he post a private message to Scott / Socalgal instead of emailing them? Isnt there a link at the bottom of every page titled "Contact Us"?

J http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[SysOpt]

If you have not been a member here long (e.g.- cockney), then you don't have the proper perspective to express an educated opinion on this particular subject in the right context. Anyone can express an opinion in general, and has the right to do so. But you aren't going to know what the whole story is until you have lurked here for a few weeks/months at least.

Ceedee: your IP and email addresses were banned for a reason. If you wanted to discuss the issue, email would have been the preferable way to do it, not creating 4 new accounts that we have to delete. I never ban anyone permanently, except in extreme cases (those who are in an advanced stage of maturitysyndrome or icantlearnitis).

Scott

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[SysOpt]

Exactly Mntsnow. That was my beef as well. I don't agree that Win2k bites, I think it is far better than W98 or NT for 95% of what I do, but he is welcome to express some kind of INTELLIGENT opinion, not a one line "dude, it just bites, because I said so" type comment.

[Warthog]

Sharpy, I was not refering to you at all. I did check the profiles of who I was talking to. I'm not trying to bring up the "status" thing at all. I sick of repeating myself: this happens very, very rarely. Ok???

How can you judge this board, when you've been a member for a matter of days?? Just read what Scott (Sysopt) said.

Warthog

[cockney]

Right

I wasnt defending ceedee for what he has done in the way of logging on in 4 or 5 usernames , that i dont agree with like the rest of you , i was just putting the point across that whats the point in going totally off yer head at someone all because they put a bit of humor it should be up to the person who posted the topic to complain via e-mail to yourselves if he or she was upset at his or her remark or anybody elses remarks , not for everyone to go into one , so ok youre saying that his remark wasnt constructive , well tell me this there where over 5 remarks on the same post that were even less constructive and everyone of them where slating him , I'm not defending anyone and remarks about my only just becoming a member are not the issue does that mean i cant express an opinion , i dont think so ,is this how you treat all the new recruits , all i'm saying is thats up to the person who posted the topic to complain about the replies , once he or she complains then everyone else can join in , like my topic which i mentioned earlier inwhich one of my friends put in a remark and everyone decided to slate him , well if i had found that upsetting or offensive in anyway then it should have been up to me to complain to yourself .

[medo]

Hello,

Ye, this is something of more importance than some of you might think at this moment. –It’s not only about Ceedee it is about the Code of behaviour/participation.
We here are members and we share space with all (and it is necessary) to respect others’ opinion(s).
I can agree or disagree with someone’s opinion, but we have to do without any unnecessary personal characterisation. If someone think that he/she has a good point than he/she can elaborate it in an intelligent/mature way and not like a 10 year streetwise kid.
A bit of humour and some subjects out of course might help but tirades about censure without responsibility and nasty attributes in “answers” might lead to locked threads (it is ugly to see them and does not help the reputation).

Yes, I am always for a second chance.

Medo

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Mntsnow]

Cockney,
I would have already Emailed you...But you choose NOT to post an Email addy in your profile.

As for Why I posted my displeasure at Ceedee's post is because if you let that type of behavior start on a bbs it tends to build from there! So it is best to nip it in the bud right from the start! IMHO http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

As for Saying it's up to the "person that started the thread" to stop the "poor response" (for lack of a better name). I will respond to that by saying that many people would just think that: "hmmmm I wont go back there..They don't help any when I ask a question".

Then WHO is the loser?...The loser's are the person that started the thread (cause they felt they didnt get the help they needed!), The people that responded in a helpful manner (as the person who needed help never returned to let them know what worked or any feedback) and of course SysOpt in the long run as they would loose membership due to people moving away to a bbs that didn't put up with the "bs".

Just my personal thoughts and feelings regarding your post http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[akaBruno]

Not to change the subject, or anything. But, are you guys sure, that you haven't seen my hampster???

[Mntsnow]

Yeah...I saw he a few moments ago Bruno http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

He's panting pretty hard as he's got to push this machine a bit faster if he wants me to feed him http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[alondra]

I might think it is time to lock this thread
every thing has been covered ad nauseum, (Or something)

[Gene C.]

the little fellow was inside my pop corn bag. when I let him out. this came out also.

I think this should about cover it all don't you. and I still stand behind this. for everyone knows I don't give a sh** what they say or think. I just sit here and laught at them ect. but, what I really like is the way I can get to them and make them let it out. he he http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/005204.html

[akaBruno]

Thank you:

That was my point w/ the very 1st post in this thread. It should have been locked to begin with.

[SysOpt]

Cockney: It was not just one post. Socalgal deleted many others...

I don't have a problem letting the guy back on if he can keep a low profile, be HELPFUL to members here with computer issues, and show some maturity and common sense. Pretty demanding, I know.

Anyway, I appreciate everyone's feedback on this issue. Glad to know that what I'm doing is supported by the people who have been here forever http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif. Always feel free to email me your comments at sdw@sysopt.com .

Haven't seen the hampster recently.. Oh wait, there it went across the floor! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

Scott


[This message has been edited by SysOpt (edited 05-20-2000).]