Seti@home merger

[amok]

I know there is still a little bit of bad blood between AnandTech and Sysopt members in regards to the failed RC5 merger attempt. However, that case was complicated because there were several hundred members on each team. If the 2 Seti@home teams were to merge now it would be very painless, as there are only 90 members between the two teams. This would be beneficial to both teams presently(it would nearly double their output), but would be absolutely huge once more people switch from RC5 to Seti@home. I believe that now would be the absolute best time to do it. I'm going to post this at AnandTech as well and get their reactions. Let me know what you all think.

[Joel Kleppinger]

Personally, I am all for a merger if all you SETI@Home guys want to. Since, I only do RC5, this won't really affect me anyway. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

However, let us know what you want to do, and we'll do it. I'm not positive how amok has thought to do it, but perhaps a new team would be the most fair. However, this means both teams lose all their current units sent to either team. (at least if it's anything like RC5).

Anyway, let us know, and we'll try to work something out. If you have any ideas about this, be sure and tell us.

Thanks,

Joel

[amok]

A new team would definitely be the most fair. And yes, we would lose our work units up to this point, but we've not really accumulated a lot of work units anyway. A combined effort would be much better than both teams working alone, and now is the time to do it with only 90 members between the 2 teams.

[The Magicman]

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www.anandtech.net/bbs/Forum13/HTML/001166.html (http://www.anandtech.net/bbs/Forum13/HTML/001166.html)

www.sysopt.com/forum/Forum7/HTML/000080.html (http://www.sysopt.com/forum/Forum7/HTML/000080.html)
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I think the merger is a good idea!
The RC5 merge was a good idea too but I think we tried it the wrong way. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

All I need to assign 2 of CrackRacks nodes to S@H is a howto for the S@H client under linux connecting via a http proxy server.

cu

The Magicman

Team AnandTech RC5
Team Anandtech Seti@Home (Inactive)

[Joel Kleppinger]

Well, initial response on both boards appears to be unanimous. I suppose we should come up with a name. Suggestions?

If we don't lose any units, then now is definitely the time. I'm certain that if we didn't lose blocks in rc5, a merger could still happen. But I'm not giving up more than a million blocks anytime soon. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Joel

[Sterling_Aug]

Joel: If RC5 allows retirement of an e-mail account, then wouldn't they allow the retirement of a team? Seems like they should to me. All I did to change my e-mail was to set the machines to the new address, run 1 day to accumalate blocks, then retire the old address and ALL blocks went to the new address and team association.

[Joel Kleppinger]

Because Distributed.net has made it officially clear that they do not want teams merging together, throwing all previous blocks that both teams did to a new team.

That is different from retiring emails because when you retire an email, you're just keeping rc5 up with your latest email (which is bound to change). They do that to lessen fragmentation for a person, that way they don't have like 3 or 4 emails that have cracked blocks.


Joel

[MGallik]

This may seem a little premature but,
these names arent taken:

Pheonix
Team Pheonix
The Pheonix Group

BTW,

Valhallas Forge
[This just popped into my head]
[Strike a little fear into the opposition?
Doh!]

Isnt taken either. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I dont mean to be some kind of boss, but,
lets get going and make a move.

And they dont sound like "Lamb Chop"! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

I'll cross post this.

[MGallik]

The Seti@Home guys are to fast!

As of right now,

If you join another team, your old work
units stay with the old team.

You have to start over.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

I just dashed off an E-Mail to Seti@Home
about an option to allow the combining
of teams.

Or to at least leave it as it was.




[This message has been edited by MGallik (edited 06-21-99).]

[SysOpt]

I don't think that's accurate. I accidently created our team in the wrong category, and joined it. I had a few work units there. Then, I created a new team in the proper category and joined it instead - the units transferred.

Scott

[MGallik]

I hope your right.

But you had better look at this.

It's new.

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=10843

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif


[This message has been edited by MGallik (edited 06-21-99).]

[SysOpt]

hmmm.. Interesting.. Maybe mine transferred only because I was the one creating the team. Argh... If the units don't transfer, we'll be back to the argument of "who joins who", on top of what to name the joint team.

[MGallik]

Maybe a form letter so all of us, as individuals, can ***** to Set@Home.

I'm getting burned out, I've been running
around like a mad man at this all day.

No. I'm at home, no pay. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

Our #4 guy bailed yesterday and took all
his Work Units with.

It's funny how we keep getting screwed.

I feel like I'm running up hill and someone
keeps throwing barrels in front of me.

Hmmmm.....

Didnt I see that in a game somewhere?

[This message has been edited by MGallik (edited 06-21-99).]

[amok]

We can avoid the whole who joins who argument by simply creating a new team. At worst we'll lose a few work_units, but this isn't a short term project, and the benefits of joining now would more than exceed the benefits of keeping the 400-700 WUs each team has done so far. I believe most of us want this merger, so why don't we start thinking up and voting on a few names http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif?

[MGallik]

I already put my 2 cents in for a name up
above.

I really like:

Valhallas Forge

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif


Here's another thread to look at, member 3?

http://www.arstechnica.com/forum/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000669.html


[This message has been edited by MGallik (edited 06-21-99).]

[MGallik]

OR SlashNot

Mwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

OK, Check this out, I got another reply
from Seti@Home:

From: Peter Leiser <peterl@ssl.Berkeley.EDU>
TO: <mgallik@mediaone.net>
SENT: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: SETI@home groups

Hello,

We were planning on allowing groups to merge,
and that mechanism should hopefully be
completed by Wednesday. Merging will allow
2 teams at a time to combine into one team
and all past credit associated with both
teams will go to the new team.

Hope this relieves your anxiety,
Peter

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

We have a little time to get all the details
worked out before the combine function is
implemented, so lets get hashing, shall we.

I guess it pays to run around like a mad man
after all.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[MGallik]

[This message has been edited by MGallik (edited 06-21-99).]

[Rellik Remag]

I aggree, we should combine our computational powers into a single SETI team. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I'm all for it, this is the best time for it.

[MGallik]

Hello, I'm on Team Anandtech, and a regular
Peep here, I just never posted.

I like the idea of a merger, we can all use
the horse power.

Now, get this!

You dont lose any of your work units when
you move. Our #4 guy just bailed to Ars
Technica and took all his blocks with him.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

[Rellik Remag]

Bring this back to the top ^^^^^^

How you guys feel about using an acronym, like: UFO or anything else.


I thought up a lot of U + F + O words and tried mixing a bunch around. Some came up pretty nice. I seem to have mis placed that sheet of paper. But, some of it looked like this:

UFO: United Federation of Overclockers

UFO: Union For Overclockers
etc, etc, etc..

There were many more... you get the idea. We can use any acronym.

I tried something with SETI, never finished it though.

[NoCtrl]

If we merge, I will join. I don't care what the name is and I don't care if I loose my 4 blocks. I'm only doing this for fun. If people start going back and forth fighting again, I won't join the new team. In fact, I'll quit this one this time because it won't be fun anymore. I'll start my own team. Yeah that's it! I’ll call it the "Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Cause There Ain't None Here" team. It'll be just me and the wife - Morgan Fairchild.

Seriously, let's play nice. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by NoCtrl (edited 06-30-99).]

[MGallik]

If we are going to merge the two teams
lets get the ball rolling.

If you are in favor, post here with your
vote and lets get this done.

We also need the attention of the person
who started the team as they will be
required to actually do the merge.

All your stats will come with you.

If any of you guys have a mailing list
of your team members, drop them a line and
lets get cracking. Get it. Cracking...

Mwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahah......

Sometimes I just kill myself.. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[John Galt]

It's amusing to me that in this whole thread, there is actually only one member of SysOpt that is doing Seti@home that has responded positively. Almost all of the posts here are from amok, Rellik Remag, MGallik, and The Magicman, all Anandtech members. NoCtrl is the only one from SysOpt that is actually doing SETI@home, yet these guys all assume it's a done deal.

Why have teams at all if the only goal is to attain better stats by merging them together? If all you want to do is have better stats, go join Slashdot. Being on Anandtech's team or SysOpt's team actually means something.

[Joel Kleppinger]

John, read my second post here to see why we should join ranks.

http://www.anandtech.net/bbs/Forum13/HTML/001183.html

I'll summarize for those not wanting to check it out. Basically, Sysopt.com, TweakIt, and AnandTech all have the same mission, goals, and emphasis: To get the most out of what computer we have. Because of this shared comradery, we should publicly band together against those that aren't with us. RC5 and SETI@Home are perfect opportunities for us to unify around a common goal.

Just a thought.

Joel

[izzzy12k]

The reasons why, at least in my case, why I am not pushing, rushing, and hopping over to SETI is because I am working on RC5. If, and I emphasize IF, I move over to SETI it will be AFTER RC5 is over.

If Anandtech has more people working on SETI, then let there be more at Anandtech. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I think MOST will move over from both teams to the unified SETI team once RC5 is over, but not before.

Think about it, If many were to have quickly moved over to SETI. Neither team would be were they are now on RC5. We'd be somewhere out in the top 50...100!

Have a little patience. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

-Izzzy12k

[This message has been edited by izzzy12k (edited 07-01-99).]

[MGallik]

I am on Team Anandtech. I am happy there.

The active members take our cracking efforts
seriously and continue to add their time,
ideas, and efforts to strengthen the team.

I am sure many here do the same, although I
dont see as many posts related to Seti
efforts here.

As for the team merger, another factor I
would like to air is, why did you join the
team you joined?

My story is as follows.

My primary site, first choice, in so far as
where I make most of my posts, is
HardWareCentral.com

I am on Team Anandtech, but I am actually
a HWC guy.

Many of you as well as us are only on the
teams we are on because thats the team we
saw first. It would have been just as likely
I would have been on your team, had I saw
the support offered in the forums as I do
at Anandtech.

What we could/would have if we merged is one
larger team, of people more likely to
continue, as many folks dont, to crack
Seti WU's. Most teams members, even RC5,
stop contributing after about a month.

Those of us REALLY into the effort, find
ourselves fragmented, spread across several
teams, from several sites.

We are ALL the same type of guys/gals. I'm
sure every site I would list are sites you
hit on a regular basis. Some you contribute
to in the BBS's, most, as I, you just peep.

Think how we could do, with the consistent
performers, all together on 1 team.

An example is Team Anandtech RC5, there are
only about 400 regular contributors, but
they are in 10th place overall.

Not the mishmash of casual crackers on many
teams, they are consistent, and they play to
win.

We, the hardcore geeks of the net, SHOULD
be together, on one team. Even Slashdot
with all the members they have, dont put
out all that many WU's per member. They
just have 4000 guys. If they just turn in
1 Wu a week each, they get further ahead
in the standings.

We are a handfull here, a skattering there.

Didnt you join a team for this simple reason,
Alone, your stats will be buried, most
likely, many thousands down the list. The
only way to acheive a place or standing worth
looking at is by being on a team.

Well, as we can now see, even to be in the
top 100 as a team will require some work.

Are you putting out the effort but continue
to watch your team struggle? I am. DO YOU
want to do something about it? I do. What
can we do to get not only more team members,
but good ones, who carry their share of the
load?

Can you see a pattern here? What can WE do!

Merge a few teams, a few fighting teams that
want too do Seti.

Thats what this is all about. I want to be
#1 you want to be #1, I want to help you
get there, I will work hard to get you there.

Would you!

Are you the same?

Why arent we on the same team, working
together???

As for the RC5 guys, I dont want to seem as
if I am trying to recruit you. If you are
on RC5, I wish you the best. But, if you
are interested in Seti, then you belong with
us. And we want you.

Now, if we are going to do this merger, lets
get it moving. If we arent, then let it die.

I have a war to win.