Metallica

[ceedee]

there are loads of bands
boycott metallica
dont dl their stuff or buy it either
see how they like that

[Biff]

Don't you think Metallica has a right to be upset? and why would bands be upset by people banning downloading pirated songs? seems to me if they would not buy it, what kind of fans are they. People have to protect their livlyhood, same goes for pirated software, developers and such have got to put food on their tables! It was a good thing while it lasted!

[OuTpaTienT]

LOL! You're funny Biff. "what kind of fans are they?" haha. They're not blind, moronic, braindead fans which is what the record companies believe.

Screw em!!! Why such an attitude from me? The record companies have been reaming us for years, but just lost a court case regard their price-fixing. See here: http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,6447,00.html

[Wiz]

Record companies make an average of $10 per cd sold. Thats a good profit, if you ask me. I'm sick of it, we all are.

[Biff]

Yeh, a lot of people tell me I got a strange sense of humour OuTpaTienT, tehehe. I hear ya, I'm just saying it was a good thing while it lasted. I got about 31 stones cd's and not once did I think I got ripped off.

[silkman]

well even thought I'm not a alternetive/rock band kinda music lover and i'm not even a fan of this but I just want to make my point. What I do know is downloading MP3 is not right because artist need to make a living too. Example:"Lets say you have a well paying job and next day your boss fire you, telling you that we no longer need you cuz your position can now be replace by a machine."

PS: I download MP3 myself but for every single mp3 I download I actually go out and bought the cd.

[mgordon99]

What if you actually OWN the CD that contains the songs that you have as MP3 files on your computer?

Why do record companies think that they have a right to tell you what format you may use to listen to your own, purchased music?

If I have 10 CD's that I want to give away, and I proceed to give them away, am I engaging in piracy? Is the person I gave them to also?

MP3's are a threat to the recording industry for one simple reason, thay cannot control the distribution. If they did control distribution, we would be paying $10 to $15 for an MP3 album.

Don't be fooled, the recording industry isn't out to just destroy Napster and MP3.com, they want to totally destroy the MP3 format, watch and see.

[chipbgt]

Anybody else tired of these threads?

I know I am....


Metallica has every right to be upset about people stealing (yes, stealing) there music. Do not blame them if you think the cd prices are too high..you think they have any bearing on that? Just be momentarily happy all other bands havent decided to do the same thing (yet).


....If they are such a sell out why do you (the napster community in general) want there music anyway? Its horrible.

[chipbgt]

Dave, are you planning on appealing the ban? After reading what you wrote in one of the 100 other metallica threads about owning your own you could probably get the ban lifted, or just do the registry editing to sign back up.

[daveleau]

I am not going to appeal b/c I am not going to sign anything that would give Metallica the rights to sue me. I may do the latter but need to find the key...
Dave

[daveleau]

I like what Chuch D said last night on Charlie Rose about this. He said that everyone has had fears about their livelyhood with every new technological advance in the music biz. From the radio to cassettes to cd-burners and now napster. The music business still makes billions. The artists are not starving and we still buy the records. This is just a medium to try out new music for me. If I own it I DL it instead of trying to make mp3's of my music. If I don't own it I DL it and see if I like it. If I do, I buy it. If I don't, why clutter my hdd. MP3 to cd does not sound good to me. The quality is just not as dynamic. I will be on Napster again as soon as I can get through this ban thing. I now HATE Metallica.
Dave

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[neo_otyugh]

the npster key is very very basic...i change my username regularly...

[madthumbs]

This is hilarious!; http://208.55.130.93/cartoons/napsterbad/napsterbad_56k.html

[raider rick]

Madthumbs, that WAS hilarious! I almost fell off my chair laughing!! That would have been tragic, because, I would'nt have been able to reach my beer!!(BEER GOOD!!!) I love Metallica's music, but I think the over reaction to the mp3 deal, is a kick in the nad's to their loyal fans... can't we all just rock, together?

[George Martinez]

Hello all, I'll just get to my point. All I have to say is that Metallica are a bunch of whiners. They have made all those gazzillions of dollars and are complaining about a poor noodle soup eating college student like myself downloading their songs. I think they should retire and let their fans enjoy their past good music. Get it "PAST". Besides those **** cd's are getting too **** expensive. Think about it, a person has to work for about 2 to 3 hours to buy a **** cd, when making minimum wage. That's just plain pathetic if you think about it.


I'M NOT BUYING ANY MORE CD'S FROM YOU METALLICA!!!!!!

[ceedee]

seems we have a mixed reaction here
i wasnt saying pirating was ok
but it is a fact of life
also for those of us with less resources
the only chance we get to listen to some of the music is by dling it
whoopee if you can afford to buy it then try it
i cant
so should i do without
maybe so
but if i can dl it to listen to then i will
i am not causing any loss to metallica or anyone else becaus ei would not have bought it anyway
i dont have the money
so
nice to be in a smug position with money
but we are not all in that position

[chipbgt]

Have you ever heard of a radio? They are these neat devices that play songs for free. Its an amazing concept. or try www.sonicnet.com (http://www.sonicnet.com)

[This message has been edited by chipbgt (edited 05-15-2000).]

[tonym]

This whole music thing really riles me. Does anyone remember the day (and I do mean the DAY) when music CD's were introduced.

They were better in all possible ways to the 33-1/3rpm vinyl disks. Except ONE. Hazard a guess which one?

COST!

The vinyl LP for a particular album was anywhere from 33 to 60% lower than a comparative CD. Now I can understand this in the nacesent days of CD music. Not many CD players were available and there were a lot of audiophiles that just loved the sound of music from virgin vinyl. The CD was a novelty and you would PAY for the privilidge of owning this new wonder music media.

Well, so many years have passed and we're still paying outrageous prices for the same music (stranger bands and crappy new genres aside!), even though the manufacturing cost of a CD album is 1/5th the cost of a comparative vinyl album.

See, it seems we got snookered by the music industry when the change came from vinyl to plastic/aluminum! We bought into the big lie. And just like taxes, we will pay for it FOREVER!

To quote Gordon Gecko: "Greed is good". Such is the mantra of the major music companies. We've ended up with marginal talents getting paid outrageous sums of money for mediocre work.

But, unfortunately, we're ALL to blame. We need the distraction of music. And settling for copying the work of the long-dead classical music bunch doesn't satisfy our modern sensibilities.

So, pay up and ***** some more. I say that the only way you can make change is to speak up and be heard! You know, toss the tea into the harbor! Think twice/thrice before you pick up that music CD. People vote and voice their opinion with their feet and their wallets.

Instead of the music CD, buy a book for God's sake. And to hell with these greedy little music maggots.


Tony

[George Martinez]

Well said tonym. I got a question guys how do i clean the registry so i can get rid of the napster entries and delete them.

Is there actually a way to clean the napster settings? Wondering!!!!

[Biff]

ceedee, hope you dont think I was jumping down your throat, wasn't meant to be! madthumb, that movie is a hoot, thanks for the chuckle. Biff

[ceedee]

no worries biff
its an interesting subject with far reaching
consequences
i like the idea of buying a radio
do they sell radios that allow you to pick which songs are played..
also i thought it was legal to dl a mp3 for 24 hrs .then you must delete it or buy it
thats what i heard dont know if its true or not.

[hd581]

Uhh actually tonym, the guys at Sterophile said (at least all the way up until mid 90's) that LP's are sound superior to CD's b/c the lack of D->A conversion presents a more accurate sound. I used to read that magazine all the time and they would always tell about how harsh and "bright" CD's sounded compared to LP's. Just FYI.

[chipbgt]

You can change channels on radios if you dont like what they are playing, thereby increasing yoru chances of listening to what you want...or, try an online radio station like the one I listed above; it allows you to choose what type oif music you want to hear, and adjust individual musicians accordingly. so technically you could set it up to only play music from one or two artist. Its kinda fun.

And for some reason I refuse to use the spell checker. I yam what I yam http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by chipbgt (edited 05-16-2000).]

[narayan]

Hey ceedee, how did you get -23 posts?

[alondra]

I take no side on the MP3 question, not involved, but I agree 100% the price of Music CDs is a ripoff. the cost of the media is indicated by all the throwaways in the mail, and many of you reading this have the facility to make CDs and you dont buy them in thousand lots.
I have many 33 1/3 and a custom built (by me) single play turn table, multi speed with strobe. properly kept and clean 33 1/3 is to me just as good as a CD, I think most folks don't have the hearing to tell the diference.
the only way to bring down the cost is of course dont buy them. at the risk of fluffing some feathers, it is my opinion that most of the contempory music, has little to offer in HI FI anyway. just an eight pound magnet in the sub base woofers,with a cone that will move an inch. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[ceedee]

because i dared to have an opinion
and i dared to have a bit of a joke
its alright for others but not for me it seems
petty petty petty

[alondra]

we all recognise you have your drawers in a twitt, back off, you are just begging to be barred,
sysopt its about time to lock this thread ???

[tonym]

hd581,

Yeah, and those same folks could tell the difference in blind tests between gold-plated wire and plain old hookup wire!

I didn't mean to imply that the CD's were ACTUALLY better, the record companies TOUTED them as better! Personally, I prefer the CD over the vinyl...the sratching and popping from dust and crud drives me CRAZY. Good luck and best wishes to the audiophiles who think differently!!!


Tony