NN no, but Map Drives yes

[socalgal]

Hi there http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Background:

I added a second NIC on my client WinME, for times when my server W2K is down and I need WinME to directly access the Net as a standalone. The 2nd NIC is installed but not connected to anything, with TCP/IP only and unbound from file/print sharing.

Problem:

The first NIC, in WinME, which I use to LAN and ICS via Sygate4, still works fine for the ICS, but now won't see W2K in NN. However, I *am* able to access W2K via map network drives.

I've been using NetBEUI with file/print sharing for the LAN, which has worked well. Client for MS Networks being used.

Permissions have been set in W2K to allow WinME and shared drives on both are enabled.

WinME is accessible thru NN from W2K.

While the WinME to W2K map driving works, I still want to know why I can't access W2K from WinME thru NN.

What am I missing?

Thanks for your shared wisdom. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[cyclone2]

Ah, the good ol' browser service aye. I'm still learning this wonderful stuff hehe and your problem is a good one(and probably a common one) The only thing I can think of is to unbind TCP/IP (so there is none bound) and see if that does anything. It sounds like you had no probs before that NIC went in and it almost sounds like ME is searching for a master browser via TCP/ip even though that makes no sense but not much does when it comes to the browser service.
Maybe I will ask you for some help shortly as I'm just about to add a second NIC to my server, subnet it add Winproxy and set up my internet through the server(even though all 3 are hooked to cable now.....ah torture?) http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Johnny Mac]

I recall reading something about the browsing service and the selection of the master PC. I think it went something along the lines of NT server, NT workstation, Win 9X then WFW. I have been playing a little with basic networking on several win platforms also, but I too have found that I cannot browse a hard drive on the server (NT4), but I can map. If you find the answer for browsing, I will be keen to know...


Regards,


Macca

[cyclone2]

Another thought is to check the sharing of your drives in 2K they dont have a eg: C$ dollar sign after them? then you wont see them

[Psycho-holic Slag]

i don't think she's talking about seeing the folder... just the computer itself, so share names don't come in to play yet. perhaps socal can clarify.

the logical thought process of troubleshooting dictates we ask the question: 'between success and failure, what factor has changed (that could create the failure)?' in this instance it's the addition of a 2nd NIC (or at least, so it seems). honestly i haven't the slightest clue, but the first things i'd check in the network portion of the control panel:

1. make certain that whatever protocol you're using to view the comp is still bound to the NIC you're using.
2. make certain in both comps that the workgroup name is the same (i'm assuming you're not using a domain login).
3. if you use find/computers and search by comp name, does it find it?

probably not much help to you directly (i imagine you know well enough to check that stuff), but hopefully helpful in the overall process.

[socalgal]

Hi guys http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Well, cyclone, I unbound the 2nd NIC from TCP/IP - it's not bound to anything now, and checked the Browse Master in File/Printer Sharing and it is set to Automatic.

And, my W2K shared drive is ok - that is, I have the name set same as before - nothing has changed there.

I'll still be playing around with this when I find the time this week and might just physically remove it to see if things get back to "normal".

The goal was to install the PPPoE client (for my dynamic DSL) and set up the 2nd NIC as a kind of "standby" so I could just connect online when I needed to as a standalone on my DSL account.

I'll try installing the PPPoE client and play around with getting this to work the way I want, but probably not til this weekend http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif There's got to be a way, I'm thinking.

Meanwhile, ideas are welcome http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Thanks for your replies, I appreciate it!

[cyclone2]

Just a thought- cant you use just one NIC and set up 2 different hardware profiles for your configuration?

[TOAD6147]

This is a fact-finding post so bare with me. I'm not at all familiar with W2k but is the IPX/SPX protocol available to you and if so why use the other since this is supposed to be better than the other options? Is your network client/server or peer-to-peer?

[socalgal]

Hi Psycho-holic Slag http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif I didn't see your post before I replied last time.

You said: "i don't think she's talking about seeing the folder... just the computer itself, so share names don't come in to play yet."

That's correct.

Btw: Only sometimes - not always - on the first NN attempt after rebooting, I get the "unable to browse the network" message; attempts thereafter merely show no W2K computer, w/out the message.

To respond to your questions:

1. Yes. The same entries/protocols are attached to the 1st NIC on WinME and on W2K as before.
2. Yes, same Workgroup name.
3. Yes. (Thanks! -I didn't try this before). W2K is there, but Location is Unknown. (See: EDIT below). Hitting W2K here shows my shared printer and my W2K shared drive/dirs/folders.

cyclone - Hadn't thought of this one also. I haven't set up multiple hardware profiles before on a Win9X/ME, so I'll have to read up on this. Is it just a matter of adding a new User and configuring the 2nd there? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

TOAD - Well, I haven't tried IPX/SPX, as NetBeui has worked well for me and I would like to avoid adding more protocols, if possible. I've never had the need for IPX/SPX and, shouldn't have the need for it now? It's something else to consider though, and I will try it, along with the other things suggested.

Nonetheless, you all have given me more things to try, and I'll be trying them. I wish I had the time to play with it tonite, but I am super busy...

But, the "Location: Unknown" in Find/Computer sounds like a clue, no? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Thanks, guys! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif


EDIT: Upon doing another search in Find/Computer, now my Workgroup name shows up! But still no W2k computer in NN.

I think I'll also try a Kingston NIC I have here, I'm using a 3Com presently, or maybe a driver is missing and needs to be updated... I don't know if that is likely...



[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 09-06-2000).]

[cyclone2]

Never done hardware profiles myself just the basic principles. Go to start/help then search HARDWARE PROFILES, not a great deal of help but might be enough. Seems if you leave in 2nd nic you can set up one profile to use just it and it will not load drivers for the other(therefor not seen by Windows?) and vise-versa for your first nic and settings.When you boot comp it should give you choice of which profile to use.
This is just another option for you even though just adding 2nd nic shouldn't screw you up! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[BBA]

Check this:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Browser\Parameters]
"IsDomainMaster"="FALSE"
"MaintainServerList"="Auto"

Change the "MaintainServerList" value to "No"

[socalgal]

Hmmm....

In ME: no "Browser" entry.

In W2K: "MaintainServerList" value is already set to "No"

:/

Edit: Tomorrow, I'm going to try the suggestions here that I haven't tried yet. If that doesn't work, then I'm going to look for updated drivers for ME for the 3Com NIC. If that doesn't work, I'm pulling the 3Com and installing the Kingston, and see if there's a difference.

If that fails... well, we'll see then, I suppose.

Thanks, BBA http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 09-08-2000).]

[BBA]

Cool.

I also found a few other things in W2K that would stop NN from working, but not in your case.

[socalgal]

Well, I didn't want to leave y'all hangin' http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

For now, I'm going to make do with the mapping network setup.. it works.

Until this weekend... (I hope) http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[skippy]

Since you added the second nic to your PC windows (at least NT and 2000)assumes that the copmuter is going to be used as a router. If WinME thinks the same way, it might be trying to figure out which card is for the local network and which card isn't. And it probably has them backwards. Try disabling the second nic from the device manager. That should keep it from thinking that the machine is a router.

Try netstat -r to see how it is trying to route the packets. Is it from one nic to the other?

[socalgal]

Skippy, your suggestion worked! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

I disabled the 2nd, and sure enough, there's both my comps and accessed in NN http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Not sure of what I'm reading here on the netstat -r, though. :/

Active routing shows the 1st (LAN and WAN) NIC, DNS server, host... but the 2nd NIC isn't bound to anything - has no protocols so I'm not getting an IP addy on it (I don't think). Persistent routes show: None.

OK! Finally getting somewhere http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif Next, I'll try setting up the protocols again and then disabling, then see if NN still plays nice like that.

If it does, then I can keep my protocols and just disable until needed. (Of course, I haven't even tried the PPPoE with all this yet http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif )

I really appreciate your suggestions. I hope I can get some time to doing more this weekend.

Thanks again! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

btw, why does it seem like such a simple solution now? lol. For sure, I won't be forgetting this one. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 09-14-2000).]