Columbine Video Tape on Sale Now

[Apostle 83]

I don't think either of us said anything about censorship. But in my opinion, people are free to be brave, and to have the balls to do something that is right every once in a while. Like not show the tape, or release it.

[mgordon99]

But in my opinion, people are free to be brave, and to have the balls to do something that is right every once in a while. Like not show the tape, or release it.


So your not advocating censorship but you believe people should have the "balls" to exercise censorship?

[jad1097]

I see no reason why they should release this videotape. It is not about censorship it is about courtesy to the families of the kids that were killed.

[akaBruno]

It's all about Lawyers, Guns and MONEY. Let's see what the courts say about this one.

[Dominus]

Humanity is beginning to disgust me.

How is it that humans, as a race, get stupider by the day, even though we live in what cound potentially be the most enlightening period of history?

[Apostle 83]

Originall posted by mgordon99: So your not advocating censorship but you believe people should have the "balls" to exercise censorship?


No, censorship is removing something in circulation that offends, or banning something from being pulished, etc. I am saying that is shouldn't be published. If it is, the government should do nothing about it. People shouldn't buy it though... it is tasteless and shows a lack of upbringing.

Can I make myself any clearer?

[Joel Kleppinger]

I think I'm about to throw up... stand back.

[Gomer]

It is my understanding that some of the parents of the victims were pushing for the video's to be released. They were pressuring the police to release the videos. I am not sure if releasing the videos to the general public is the right thing to do, but I don't believe the police dept. is doing this to make a quick buck. Some of the families are pressing for information because there is a statute of limitations regarding the filing of lawsuits. They want all the information possible before they begin the legal process. Selling the videos to the public does not seem the sensible thing to do.

[montanafan]

This isn't about censorship, it's about standing up for what's right. It's about being disgusted because a government agency meant to serve and protect the public is prostituting itself and showing a complete disregard for the sanctity of life that they are supposed to uphold. It's about compassion for our fellow human beings.

So are you going to contribute your $25.00 to this cause? Are you going to kick back on the sofa with a bowl of popcorn and be entertained by the sounds of screaming children and the sight of young boys and girls suffering and bleeding to death on the lawn of their high school?

Far be it from me to make any attempt to deny you your right to enjoy yourself in whatever way you choose. Censorship my @ss!



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[montanafan]

Gomer, the families have been fighting to have the information from the surveillance tapes released to them for the reasons you stated, but they have been fighting the sheriff's department to try to keep them from releasing the same tapes to the public. And I do mean fighting. Remember the cover of Time magazine with the picture from the surveillance camera in the school cafeteria? One of the reasons they're doing is this now is probably because part of the training tape was copied during a showing in, I think New Mexico, and made it into the media. But how can they choose to SELL them to the public?

[Wiz]

As much as it disgusts me, i do believe they have a right to sell it. C'mon, this is the "land of the free," so how can you stop them?

Well, this country really isnt free. We cant burn the american flag without breaking the law. We(in michigan) MUST wear a seat belt, drugs arent legal(drugs which harm only the user).

I am not advocating these things, heck, i am not a drug attict, i dont burn flags, and i buckle up, but this just shows how limited our freedom is...

I think i might be stirring up some bad things here, sorry.

[mgordon99]

Apostle 83: No, censorship is removing something in circulation that offends, or banning something from being pulished, etc. I am saying that is shouldn't be published.

Yes, you made yourself clear by totally contradicting yourself.

From Dictionary.com
cen·sor·ship (snsr-shp)
n.

The act, process, or practice of censoring.
The office or authority of a Roman censor.
Psychology, Prevention of disturbing or painful thoughts or feelings from reaching consciousness except in a disguised form.

[seti]

mgordon99, shut up. You're twisting words and polluting a thread.

He's saying people should have the tact to censor they're own greedy ideas before they even get to they're mouth, and he's absolutely right.

TACT...look that one up.


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and the smiles will magicly take away all hurt feelings....hehe

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[Phantom]

you're type "A" personality aren't you Mgorden99.

[Apostle 83]

Ok, there is a difference between banning and [saying/suggesting/hinting/encouraging/helping with/petitioning for/requesting/not participating in/anything else]. That is merely a closed set of an infinite one.

I guess you and i are on two different wavelengths, you almost sound like a socialist, you interpret everything I say as being government action oriented instead of citizen inititated.

[stodge]

<sarcasm>"Only in America"</sarcasm>

This is truly sick.

[mgordon99]

All right, hold everything. Do I like the fact that this video is being released? NO

Am I against censorship? YES

Seti: I am sorry for “polluting” this wholesome thread, and “twisting” words by quoting from the dictionary. mgordon99, shut up.

Such tact you display.

I’ll just go crawl under my rock and keep my outlandish views of censorship to myself, why would I want to actually post my opinion in an opinion forum? Silly me.

[pickel]

The people put the pressure on the PIGS, now they're getting even by publishing the video while making a nice profit. What else would you expect from the Gesthopo mentality????

the pickel

[blubomber]

Here is my 2 cents, I think that if the police want to release the tape then they have all the right to but it will be them that has to deal with all of the reprocutions of that decision.

As far as being a citizen of this great country, we have the choice whether or not to buy the tape. But, the word should be spread to boycott the tape once it goes on sale and then flood the responsible police department with mail and email as to ones disaproval of their actions. I am sure that if they do not sell very many tapes and hear from the whole country and maybe parts of the world, that they will have to live with the regret of making the wrong decision for the rest of their lives.

But, I am sure that someone will buy the tape and then sell it on the internet for half the price or make it available for free. So either way, the police will probably end up loosing money on this one.

[tangluva]

And for the land of the freeeeee,
and the home of the.... GREEEDDDYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

[montanafan]

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This really disgusts me. What's the matter with those people, are they that desperate for a buck?

Columbine Tapes To Be Public
12:17EDT
By COLLEEN SLEVIN
Associated Press Writer
04/26/00


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DENVER (AP) -- The families of Columbine High School shooting victims who fought for access to video taken during the massacre are outraged that authorities also are releasing a tape to the public -- with a music soundtrack.

"This shows no regard whatsoever for the feelings of the victims,'' said James Rouse, a lawyer for the families, after learning of the Jefferson County sheriff's department decision on Tuesday.

The videotape -- a Littleton Fire Department training tape that includes 25 to 30 minutes of footage from surveillance cameras in the school cafeteria, was to be made available to the public starting this afternoon for a $25 fee. The package also includes two to three hours of news helicopter footage....
http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=932&ern=y&ei=1734599

[Apostle 83]

This bugs me too. IT IS BLATAN DISRESPECT FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES!

Plain and simple, that's what it comes to.

[mgordon99]

Where do we live? I thought this was America, land of the free.

Just turn on your TV, there is blatant disrespect everywhere, not just Columbine.

Are you advocating censorship?

Many things are distasteful to many people, including myself, but I will not advocate censorship in any way shape or form.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, that simple.

[rrick31]

there is no reason to SELL a video tape of a sad day,to SELL is to make money.to release the tapes is to open up.

[Gene C.]

from my understanding. "what was said on the news" the tape was to be used as only a training tape. and than someone got a copy and that was the end of it. they had sold 80 + copies at 6:00 p.m. news time here in fl.

also, the back ground singer "from Canada" came forward. and said that they didn't even ask her about using her song/music. she was also very upset. and wants her stuff off the tape ect.

and another one of the girls involved in the event of the sad mishap " her mothers words" I saw them drag here across the flood and just let here lye there as it was all going on. I felt like I was going thou it all over again. as she just sat there and cried.

and so. I think the people behind it should be sued for everything they have. and than they will know the feeling of losing everything you have. like some of the parents have.

it never made sense to me. why they can't just let these things go. and not keep bringing it back up. all it dose is bring back the bad memories to the people involved

[Andy_L]

I have never understood why people have such a sick fascination with death, this video to me is in the same catagory as "faces of death" videos and the sick ****s who were taking/selling/buying pics of all the dead in Iraq, about all we can really do is just opt out, and not participate.

[Chainsaw]

I do not believe the tapes should be censored, but any type of profit or gain from any great loss/sacrifice is totally unacceptable. If the tapes are to be made available to the public then so be it, but unless 100% the profits are going directly to preventing such an incident, then it is unconscionable.
c:::CHNsaw

[Biff]

First impression is "boy thats sick" but I think everyone has the right to know what goes on. I don't like the idea of music and such, but as someone pointed out, it a free country, freedom of speech eh! If the world operated in only the manor I think it should, it would be a pretty boring place

[Gene C.]

they should do the same for the people that released the tapes. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/Technology/Internet/article.asp?docid=RTNET-CRIME-COLUMBINE&date=20000429

[davey]

wo...this page sent a chill through me...thing is the guns are getting closer to where i live....leeds is the next town to ours and has suffered a spate of gun attacks recently.as the arms industry saturates the world with weapons it's only going to get easier for unbalanced minds to make their terminal mistakes...as for censorship..c'mon this was never public access material and i really dont think people need to see this to understand the horror of what occurred....use your imagination.if the police are selling this to any taker who pretends to be a security organisation it will spread like wildfire.i am personally against censorship but.........i see weak minded fools around me soaking up the guns,ganglifestyle=glamour mentallity and actually playing it out and to see it creeping ever closer to where i live scares the **** out of me (no expletives deleted this time)