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PostCode
08-23-2001, 05:04 PM
A little while ago I posted a response here about PhoenixNet and the email I sent to them. The email I sent is as follows:

To whom it may concern:

I am writing to you requesting information on the PhoenixNet product. As I'm sure you know, there is a growing crowd of people who are against your product and feel that it is an invasion of their privacy. I am also assuming you know about the various public debates growing around your product.

Could you please verify to me your intentions of your product? In particular, I would like to know if you have in fact dropped all development of the PhoenixNet product. What about those currently using this product? What about any future development of it? Although the PhoenixNet home page states that you are no longer offering services, it does not tell us what you plan on doing with the existing technology. Also, several other pages have listings of companies using the product and supporting it. Please elaborate on this for me.


The people at Phoenix have been gracious enough to send me a response...if that's what one would call it:

Thank you for your interest in the privacy aspects of PhoenixNet. Recently,
we posted a general explanation about PhoenixNet and how it works on our web
site at: http://www.phoenix.com/pnet/index.html. We did this because we
received some questions about PhoenixNet that were based on a
misunderstanding of the system. We believe our posting will satisfy the
relatively few user concerns we have received.

In addition, we provided specific answers about PhoenixNet to questions
posed by The Register. The answers in the article should be helpful to an
understanding of PhoenixNet and our privacy policy. The Register's
PhoenixNet article can be found at: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20486.html.

We believe the above information sources will answer your questions.

Sincerely,
Webmaster
Phoenix Technologies Ltd.

So instead of answering my questions, I got a run around. In particular, I asked three questions of concern:

In particular, I would like to know if you have in fact dropped all development of the PhoenixNet product. What about those currently using this product? What about any future development of it?

But these were not answered in their email. Makes me really wonder what they plan on doing with this product. Are they simply putting it on the back burner and let things die down? ugh. Regardless, the links he/she directed me to were of no relavance to the questions asked. So, no, your email did not answer my questions like you thought it would. Maybe the webmaster at Phoenix thinks we don't care?

[This message has been edited by PostCode (edited 08-23-2001).]

Voldar8u
08-23-2001, 08:36 PM
Yah, It's really pisin me off. And pumpkin head Leo (hard not to like him tho) at techtv is blowing this whole thing off. Steve Gibson is staying out of it, it seems. Everyone is accepting the Phoenix strategized explaination of this. How can anyone who has at least one brain cell believe PR pukes from the SAME company who concocted this phoenixnet BS?!

Also, who is to say the updated Bio's MB manufacturers are putting out to eliminate(?) phoenixnet aren't just eliminating the ad screen and not the actual program itself? Yah, I'm paranoid, I wonder why.

edtrip
08-24-2001, 12:22 PM
Yeah, what is that with Leo and the rest of TechTV? I made a concerted effort to get this brought up on TechTV not long after it broke. Emails to Leo, Pat, Roger, and others and messages on message boards.

I had it on good authority that there were people at TechTV who knew about the problem, and I THOUGHT it would've been addressed. The Screensavers is always going off about privacy so why in the hell was this so completely ignored? Gibson too.

Voldar8u
08-25-2001, 12:06 AM
Agree, I think their's a politiker in the woodpile.

(edit) Your right TechTV used to be all for privacy but backed off. I wonder if it's due to client commercials and such. When Leo said that Gozilla was worth the SPYWARE in it, I knew things were changing there.

Also 2 weeks ago Megan mentioned that someone emailed about constant cable modem data lights, Leo blew that off. After recieving many more emails/chat about it being true Leo said he would check into that. Never heard another word. I think their either being pressured to not 'celebratize' (is that a word) these evil doings or are totally out of the loop.

Word of the decade "Carnavorizcitis". Def: The act of unscrupulous behaviour as a result of money mongering, which causes the deappreciation of bandwidth, support, and the M'erican! way.

[This message has been edited by Voldar8u (edited 08-24-2001).]

neurose
07-27-2003, 10:19 PM
I had been ignorant to what was lurking in my bios until recently i noticed a phoenixnet button had been added to my browser. Of course the website it links to is no more, but what the hell triggered my browser to be written to??!! After finding out thanks to the handful of old boards like this i got a new bios, but now methinks someone IS using this apparatus and I want Phoenix to explain! I have a complaint filed against soyo with the bbb, but i need to find out who to contact to make sure noone can use this technology on unsuspecting folks like me. All the links to phoenix net all lead to a domain business called buy now domains or something like that. any info would help please!!

BipolarBill
07-28-2003, 02:12 AM
Uninstall it in Add/Remove Programs.

neurose
07-28-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by BipolarBill
Uninstall it in Add/Remove Programs.

It doesn't appear in the add/remove programs as I have read on other informationaly sites. possibly i have an earlier version but it never appeared in my add/remove programs. I had to d/l the new bios which supplied an on/off feature in the bios which is in the "no" position now. But I am concerned about assurances that noone is still using the apparatus, especially since i've owned the computer for 3 years and this is the first time it ever appeared in my system. That tells me something is still triggering it.