Napster, universities sued by Metallica

[mgordon99]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Napster is once again sued...


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20000413/tc/20000413327.html

they are lining up at the door it seems

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[jad1097]

I guess I will not be buying anymore Mettalica CD's!

[BBA]

It's only because Metallica is starving...can't put out a decent new record and the idiots know nothing about computers and consider us all as geek sub-species.

Funny thing is, I don't even know anyone with a Metallica MP3 on their hard drive...looks like were really killing that group with piracy, lol

[seti]

Another artical about it: http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=955666099

Students Against University Censorship (http://www.savenapster.com/)

[mgordon99]

Woa! Did you see this?


http://www.pcworld.com/shared/printable_articles/0,1440,16248,00.html


Looks like all of us Napster users will be going to jail, he he.

[BBA]

Hmmm....

Just buy your music and software, go online only for surfing and gaming and live a long and happy life.

Seems to be a safe bet.

[hd581]

From mgordon99's link:
The cops know they can't stop everybody, but they aim to get everyone's attention.
Yikes! That means they'll pick the juciest targets. From the private sector they'll pick someone w/ a visible tech position possibly management. From the universities, they'll pick a student who is popular or is in a technical career. Anyone who they think will either go down kicking and screaming or through arrest alone will spread the story.

I have kind of a legal question. When you say X is suing (or sues) Y, does that mean X successfully sues and collects damages from Y? Or that X took Y to court for reasons of collecting but may or may not have won?

[brandon184]

If X sues Y, X takes Y to court, but does not necessarily collect any $$ from them. It all depends on the Judge's decision.

[brandon184]

How exactly do the authorities intend to find all these law-breakers?

[hd581]

The same way they did when they took down that big IRC piracy ring last year.

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[Toadman]

Looks like they may have a point here:

You're a private Netizen when you're simply surfing, but when you open a subdirectory of your PC, you've changed your online status and have become a de facto server, subject to law enforcement investigations. And if they bust you, they can take your equipment.

[oblivion]

LMAO..........they will be invading our privacy before they can go too far...and I assure you that we will have a bit of protection...........it is technically not illegal to have downloadable music on a server.......it is the downloadees responsibility to make sure he has the music that he is downloading.

[Wiz]

Metallica, how they have changed in 15 years. hmm... lets see, we make millions, and we like it, they take money form us, which we dont need, and we screw them. Reminds me of Bill Gates.

[jad1097]

Acutally Mettalica formed in 1981 but started to make it big with Ride the Lighting in 1984/85. That is when they signed with Elektra.
Like too many bands they have become soft with fame and fortune, what a shame they were once a great band http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif I still remember the first time I heard Battery, well the entire Masters album, and thought they were awesome.

[grandslammer]

Yeah, who'da thunk we'd see a Metallica version of Tuesday's Gone?

HA!

But I still like Lynyrd's version better!

M

[Wiz]

i was generalizing, hehe. before 1984 they were a bad cover band, hence garage inc. C'mon, they did more motorhead songs tan motorhead did!!!


who would win in a fight, Lemmy or God? uhh.... God.
He's a cop. Wrong, Lemmy is God, get outta here!

[seti]

lol! Metallica's site got hacked!!
http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=955738810

I'm sure there's a lot more dubbed metallica tapes around than there are electronic dubbs.


A mirror of the hack: http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/2000/04/14/www.metallica.com/


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[johnpaul]

I don't see any difference between borrowing a friend's CD to make myself a copy of downloading a copy from someone on the Internet. If I make thousands of copies and try to sell them, I'm a crook. If it's a personal copy for me, I'm as clean as a hounds tooth (at least in my heart).

Here's an interesting paragraph:

Despite being known for supporting fans' bootlegging of their live performances, Metallica's Lars Ulrich said in a statement, "[It's] sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is." Ulrich once was "amused" at the release of a bootleg album, until he found out the tape was a doctored recording touted as live.


JP

[mbarn]

Not Good.

[davey]

shame.....shame..used to love mettallica at one time but yes they have gone downhill....this is what large amounts of cash wil do to anyone.....before they were got rich though...i wonder how many albums of other people's they copied off their mates when they were young...plenty i'll bet.
I prefer to remember them when they were good...(everything goes wavey~~~~~~)im back in Rebel's night club(a tiny dingy 2nd floor club in sheffield with curious black goo all over the floor)seek+destroy comes on everyone dives for the dancefloor hair and sweat flying bodies colliding...fantastic.....if they cant remember being that poor then #!!!# em (apologies for the earlier language)

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[buddmann]

Someone,SoCalGal,please edit previous post and Davey please use proper language in these forums.

buddmann

[tangluva]

Seems like every artist trying to screw Napster are in my opinion just a bunch of sellouts. If they cared more about people listening to what they have to say in their lyrics rather than making money no one would be argueing right now. Just look at Dr. Dre! I guess that's what happens when money makes you blind.

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[seti]

I'm not a Limp Bizkit fan but I think this is cool!
http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=956690742

They're supporting it.

Durst stated Napster was "an amazing way to market and promote music." Indirectly critizicing those artists following Howard King and his attack on Napster, Durst noted, "I would think the only people worried about that are people that are really worried about their bank accounts."

[davey]

now dr dre is suing napster like he has'nt got enough cash sad....sad....sad...(no im not going to start swearing again,at least not on the board)

[rh71]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Am I the only one to defend these guys?! No, not their actions against Napster, but who these guys are as musicians... Have ANY of you even been to one of their concerts since TBA? People say they sold out after that album... well who's been to a live show and can tell me if they only play MTV music? They STILL play Am I Evil, Puppets, Last Caress, Bellz, etc. at their shows. They're still the same 4 guys who've helped us pass the last 2 decades... and unless you can sit there and tell me you've seen them lately, I think you're the one who's sold out to the rest of your friends who believe THEY'VE sold out... just because MTV plays some of their cover songs.

BTW, Jamez & the guys chat online all the time, they know what a computer is... and how do you know how they feel about us computer users? Some of you people amaze me.

So... give me a good reason they were only "once good."

[jad1097]

Metallica will never be what they were before And Justice for all. Master of puppets was there last good album from the first to last song. They have had several good songs since but not an entire album! No I don’t think they sold out, they just softened up.

And they are not the same four guys for the past two decades! Cliff Burton died in a bus accident in 1986. So then they are they same guys for the last 14 years. In 1983 or so they kicked out Dave Mustain. And I believe their first album Kill them all was released in 1983.

So it is my opinion that since the Master of puppets album there has not been a single album that even comes close to the raw power and intensity they once had.

Are they going to sue OLGA (http://www.olga.net)next for posting their guitar tablature! Maybe they will sue me for having some of their guitar tabs at my site.




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[rh71]

That's a pretty good response... if you had stopped before your last statement. FYI: Isuzu has attempted shutdown of all sites who bear their logo or even have the name spelled out the same way... fan sites! Lawyers and the works. So don't gimme this Metallica is out of their minds ****. For your own amusement, take a look right here (http://www.encyclopedia-metallica.com/tabs/).

So now you don't listen to them because you don't like their new stuff? You don't like them because they don't come out with the metal they once did? Does that in turn prevent you from going to see one of their performances live? Who's the one losing out here?

You people think they do it for the cash. If they had a hard-on for that stuff, why did they drop those 2 universities from the suit? They could just as easily have claimed the schools' prior open gateway to Napster did enough harm to their pockets already. Why'd they drop them from the lawsuit immediately after they blocked access? Think about it.

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[jad1097]

Thanks for the link. That was writing around the same time that Harry Fox Agency started the lawsuit against OLGA and had their main server taken down. It is not clear whether or not OLGA has their permission to have the tabs up or not. I will assume they do since they removed some 32,000 tabs or so and Metallicas are still there.

No I don’t like much of their new stuff. They seemed to have lost some of there power when they lost Burton. Kind of like what happened to Iron Maiden when Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith left. Or when Randy Roads died.

I do have to agree with your last statement.

They have ever right to do what they are doing regardless of how you or I feel about it. I just don’t like or agree with them suing Napster, after all these people just wrote the program. It is comparable, in my mind anyway, to suing the creators of Back Orifice. You know what I mean? It is not the programmer’s fault if people choose to use their program for illegal activities. Or is it?

[tangluva]

Way back when I was born, these guys were playing at a bunch of places and didn't make much money doing it, but they had fans who loved their music and were happy about it, like you rh71. But as I look at these guys now, I just see them as sellouts because they forgot that some people downloading mp3s are those same fans who liked them when they were dirt-broke and in my case a kid who grew up listening to their music. The way I see it, music was intended to be an expression of a ones thoughts and emotions, and a lot of these artists see it as another money-making scheme.

[Wiz]

Sellout with me today, sellout with me ok, the record company is gonna give me lots of money, and everything is gonna be alright

[seti]

Less than Jake knows what's up.

edit-
hmmm, I think that's ltj...I'm not sure anymore...it's ltj right???

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[Mntsnow]

Not that I really care as I choose not to use Napster nor do I make or have MP3's of music I dont own personally but just for fun I thought I would just point out one thing that was mentioned earlier:
after all these people just wrote the program. It is comparable, in my mind anyway, to suing the creators of Back Orifice. You know what I mean? It is not the programmer’s fault if people choose to use their program for illegal activities. Or is it?

I feel that if GUN MANUFACTURERS can be SUED becuase they MAKE the guns (and have no control over what joe shmoe does with it) then NAPSTER or the Programers can be TOO! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif They are being sued in part for "criminal felicitation" (sp?).

Mntsnow

[seti]

Well put Mntsnow.



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[hd581]

Oh please. We're not disputing whether or not Napster is actively doing anything illegal. They're not. This lawsuit is about Napster being used as a tool primarily for pirating mp3's, which it is. In fact, this lawsuit is about whether or not that message means jack.

The gun industry is kind of a good parallel, but the ratio of people who own guns to people who commit crime w/ gun is a heck of a lot lower than the ratio of people who own napster to ppl who pirate mp3's.

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