Timothy McVey should have been...?

[akaBruno]

Executed in public?
Maybe this is the wrong forum, but overclockers have opinions too.
Express yourself after a moment of silence.

[akaBruno]

HELLOooOh
Anybody out there w/ an opinion? Are we only concerned w/ our machinery?
I can't believe that we live such shallow lives that we can ignore such grave topics.
Forgive me, because I don't mean to critcise you guys, but this is BIG SH*T.
I don't like to think about it either, but: Think of those that lost loved ones.
Show some respect and support.

[alpha]

1. I don't have a damned clue who Tim Mcvey is.
2. I couldn't care less.
3. You will generaly find overclockers in general discussion as well as here.
4. What's wrong with only being interested in our machinery? If I wanted to hear this sort of thind, I'd be in general discussion.
5. Don't post an offensive response to your post, which happens to be in the wrong place, just because people don't feel like replying.

Don't get me wrong. you're a sound guy, but this annoys me.

ps - I do not live a shallow life - I enjoy things such as music, etc., as well as computers. I just happen to like computers.

[Gutter Ball]

Heh, oh yeah...Alpha is a youngster(nothing wrong with that and I'm not snubbing you http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif) so he probably wouldn't know who that mad bomber is! I really don't care how he dies...he'll be on death row until forever anyway and will probably die of old age.

[akaBruno]

Don't get me wrong either. I'm criticising myself as much as anybody, because I should be more aware of happenings in the world. And I think that my point has been proven. That's why we don't see the Tim McVeys coming.

[newkilla]

hey guys
i say we over clock the chair n see how fast that puppy will go.no really this is a bad one to get into.what i think isn t important.
BUT , having a little one and one on the way. throw away the key.
anyway back to my fsb that wont go to 112
bruno crank up the toons ,have a beer,
and think happy over clocking thoughts

[akaBruno]

My sentiments exactly, Killa. The beer will have to wait 'till tomorrow though. Have one for me.
Overclock that chair... and then some...
Bruno

[narayan]

A public hanging would be nice. I believe that bringing a criminal to justice to face the rule of law for his crimes and punishing him in accordance with the law is the best thing we as Americans can do. There will assurance that the person on trial will receive a fair trial,(there are exceptions, like in OJ's case) we don't want a judicial system like Cuba's. I would support and modifications to the law to hang this mofo at high-noon. I would want to be there.
Alpha, this man Timothy McVey bombed the Alfred Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City and killed about 160 people including several children that were in the building's daycare.

[FastHotRod]

Hey guys....

I am currently in OKC on business, as I was back when Mr. McVeigh did his thing. Talk about timing! Anyway, I was far from the downtown area, but I felt the blast all the way over at the airport. I saw the carnage first hand and it was terrible.

Remember the Hampster? Why not just try and overclock Tim McVeigh the same way? Forget the electric chair... let's start with temp probes! Maybe one the size of my foot, for starters!

Remembering those that lost their lives....

FastHotRod

[wtp]

i say we cool him down, remember the cooler, the better, like CPUs. Lets stick him in a room with freon (freon pushes air up). So he can't breathe, then pour liquid nitrogen on him, and then i denno... do something to a frozen body i guess.

[grandslammer]

Well, I'd say after freezing him with liquid nitrogen, that dropping a bowling ball on his head would have a serious effect on his structural integrity, don't you think?

I'd say it wouldn't be nearly as large as the last explosion he was involved in, but it would definately be devastating!

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif M

[krusty the klown]

No, no, no. Liquid nitrogen?? Paradise! Far too quick!!

Something slooooow.... How about cover him in honey and chain him to a tree in the middle of bear country?

Or one of the old favourites: placing a large rat in a bowl and glueing the bowl to his stomach?? Eventually, the rat will realise how to escape.

Mmmm... decompression chamber? Ooops, did I let the pressure down too quickly? Oh well...best turn it back up.

[wtp]

i know i know!!!, i say i freeze him, then unfreeze him!!! no wait... that's not right...

[Biff]

Chalk me up for a execution, I think we have a better society than; the need to do it in public. I'd rather see it done quicker than in public

[Wiz]

Maybe he should be drawn and quartered... I dont think it is too harsh for this

[hd581]

I can't believe that we live such shallow lives that we can ignore such grave topics.Take it easy, akaBruno. What makes you think we were ignoring it. How about you give us some time to respond to the post before getting on our case. Like a whole day?

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[tonym]

He should be removed from the planet with whatever means gives the survivors and the loved-ones of the victims the most pleasure and satisfaction and closure.

He is a pimple on the *** of our society. Keeping him alive, at our collective expense, is an insult and a slap-in-the-face to the folks in Oklahoma City who had to endure the tragedy and it's aftermath.

Society must have a means of dispensing some form of irrational, unthinkable punishment to the human-animals who commit such crimes against humanity. He shouldn't lead a life of incarceration, but rather an exsistence, interrupted by pain and suffering and discomfort that would, if done properly, act as a deterrence to any other would-be copy cats.

JMHO...


And Alpha, by the way, PLEASE remember who Timothy McVey is! And if you don't know, read up!! Those who ignore history or become desensitized to it or are ignorant of it are doomed to repeat mistakes from it or suffer needless persecutions found in the past! I know you're from IRE and McVey is more topical here in the states, but we need to remember and loathe and keep vigilance over those individuals (and their would-be followers) that had/have such wreckless disregard for humaity: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, McVey (YES, he belongs), the Caesars, etc. We need to collectively look them in the eye (in most cases the hindsight eye of history) and say "NOT AGAIN"!

Tony

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[CMonster]

Life in prison in Oklahoma City as a member of the general prison population - no special protections -he'll get probed a-plenty.

[hd581]

What I don't understand is why they moved the trial away from Oklahoma City. The legal system felt that the trial would be biased in a certain direction. Well gee I wonder why. I believe that he should have recieved a fair trial from an impartial judge and jury, but I think the people of OKC know first hand the facts about how devastating and horrifying the bombing was. Those further removed from it are less compassionate towards the lives lost.

Still, we're not barbarians. I don't think we have the right to take his life for his crime. What if he ends up turning his life around and being a contributor to society? Even if he is kept in prison all his life, he might find the cure for cancer (doubtful).

[Joel Kleppinger]

First off: I'm glad socalgal moved this. It had no business being in the OC forum.

hd581, as much as I'd like to agree with you in any instance (theoretically at least), there comes a time when society must extract the justice that is deserved. This man killed 160 people. When he chose to go out and kill a couple hundred innocent people and create millions of dollars of damage, he signed his own death sentance.

[Prospero]

Well as a lifetime resident of Oklahoma City, and a health care provider, I'd say it matters to me. I would have to say I don't agree with the death penalty though. I just don't believe the government has any right to murder it citizens, just like they don't have the right to murder each other. Flame me all you want, I just think it's time to stop the killing. All the killing.

[Unsecured Loner]

How about running him through a meat slicer? One of those back and forth commercial things...set to paper thin.

That may still be too good for him, considering the profound grief and pain he caused.

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[Markwhiz]

Hey,

I like the idea of overclocking the chair or using the meat slicer. How about holding a national raffle to see who gets to pull the switch?

[Barney]

I don't think he should have been executed in public,I think this guy would like the publicity too much,I like the execution with the bowl&rat though.

Joel,maby I am wrong,but I guess he was killed with 'the chair'.In that case they have to 'overclock' the voltage (can't kill anybody with 110/220V).This means it has got something with overclocking to do.

A person who killed so many people,deserves the worst death possible,so I would (let!) him be tortured for months before he dies and maby even brainwash him so he thinks he is a squirrel.He will believe he is going to be overridden by a car.Eventually,after months he will kill himself before the truck will.

Ronald

[Banti]

Barney...


Are you daft?? 110VAC will kill you dead any day if the week. All you need is a small amount of moisture on the skin to bring doen the resistance. Just a little sweat will vring down you skins reistance from the MegaOhm range down to the KiloOhm range. 10mA will kill you.

During an execution they use a wet sponge on the head to insure conductivity... IOW the reistance is now in the hundreds of Ohms.

The secret to deadly voltage is the power. If I had a 15v source at 10 Amps a person would splatter against the wall.

~~EDIT
10mA will kill you after mild exposure, but instantly

Banti

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[Szech]

I support the death penalty, but I acknowledge its shortcomings:
1) It doesn't solve anything. The guy already killed the people. You could torture him, and set him to die a slow painful death, and it still won't change the fact that the 160 people are dead.
2) It costs more than locking him up for life. Thanks to court procedures and all.
3) It doesn't send a message out to other potential killers. Otherwise there wouldn't be any murders in Texas (electric couch).

As for McVey, sure I'd like to see him slashed open, and have burning hay shoved in the gaping bleeding wound, but I wouldn't want that to be a practice in the United States judicial system. It's fine when the case is black and white like this one, but what about a borderline manslaughter / murder case? Do you think someone deserves this who runs someone over, and the court can't determine if it was intentional or not? I want the torture to go to the monsters, not the people whose judgement slipped for a moment. Our laws are such to prevent "cruel and unusual punishment" for a reason, so keep that in mind.
As for the whole justice thing, I'm not too happy with the racial inequities of the court system, but that's another rant... here's an interesting link: http://www.consumptionjunction.com/Media/images/crazy/19-brand.gif

[Faramir]

and when we're done with Mcvey, IMO, we go after those responsible for Waco

[alpha]

I was annoyed because
1. It was posted in the wrong forum
2. I felt it insulted people who did not wish to respond and insulted people who cared a lot about their rigs.

I did say that I didn't know who McVey was. I don't condone violence of anysort, but I believe there is no point in dwelling on the past, so I don't believe I should bother get concerned with what cannot be changed. I do believe that violence should condemned. I do not believe that I should be condemned for not paying attention to a topic of no interest to myself.

I don't wish to be a nark, but I do not wish to be insulted because I don't know something and because of that don't care about it.

No bad vibes though people http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

edit~
220 volts doesn't always kill - I had 220 shot through me while I was holding a grounded piece of metal



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[mgordon99]

Instead of sending a probe to Mars again, send him as a guinea pig......

or better yet, make him the first human on the Sun....

or use him in cruel scientific experiments....

inflict him with AIDS.....

cage him up in the zoo...with the lions....

strap him to a missle and aim it at Saddams palace.....and fire....

force him to be a guest on the Rosanne show.

[NavyDood_ F/A18_Mech]

If it would have been in TX somewhere he would be put on death row, and it would happen. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif TX doesn't take kindly to murder from what I have noticed. Granted it takes 10-15 years for the execution to happen (so it seems), but TX get's it done. TX has the most executions of all the States.

I personally thing that executions should be carried out by doing the same thing to the criminal, as the criminal did to that/those ppl. Like the lady that killed her 2 kids by driving the car off into that pond, then saying a black man stole her car with the kids in it. She should have been put in a car, locked to the steering wheel, and put into the same pond at the same place where her OWN 2 children parished.

Timothy McVey should have a bomb attached to his chest and then set off. Or put him in our bombing range and let our pilots drop 2000 lb gravity bombs on him. Make sure he wears that pretty ORANGE jacket too. Something to aim at. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

Jim

These are MY remarks. I am speaking for myself only.



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[Barney]

Alpha is right,220 won't always kill you,to kill you need long time exposure.About ten years ago I had 220V trough me for about 20sec or so (don't remember how long exactly,I was a little kid and didn't count it.it could have been shorter,it probably feld longer than it was).It was a real SHOCKING experience.I was frozen,I couldn't move in anyway until the power was down.

You need a lot of volts the get through the resistance of your skin.That is why 'electric chairs' are powered by a couple of thousands Volts.The company that makes the chairs (seats&sofa's maby?) uses an adaptor to increase the voltage.This is somekind of overclocking.You can do this by making (copper)coils with an iron core.This way you can make a deadly weapon yourself.You can learn all this at physics.
You only need a HIGH voltage and a LOW Ampere to make deadly power.

BTW about was Szech said,it has to be a clear case about the crime that has been commited,before you put someone one deathrow.The thing about death punishment is just to let that person pay for what he did.And even that isn't enough,so that person deserves the worst death possible.

Ronald

[alpha]

I was dry handed at the time - but I was fully grounded.

[Barney]

HARDHEAD,it's a guillotine.It was invented to have a clean way to chop of heads (before that they used an axe.They sometimes 'missed' and hit the head or chest what gave a BLOODY situation).They putted a basket under it so the head would fall in there.Before they unheaded the criminal they layd a cucomber on it to show how sharp it was.
I believe it was used last in France (it's their invention) during the French revolution to chop the head of Lodewijk XVIV.

Ronald

~edit I was wrong,it wasn't the guillotine you were talking about

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[hd581]

About the Voltage/Current killing stuff, there is a certain danger range. Roughly 50-1000mA causes something called ventricular fibrillation.

Below this range, the individualy usually releases the circuit out of pain. Above this range, the current usaually causes the individual to be thrown clear. The heart may suffer a brief sudden contraction but may restart on its own.

Within this range, the current interferes w/ the regular contraction of the heart and usually causes arrest. It's within this range that most fatalities occur.

[desmocat]

He should be the payload in a scud missle in white sands missle test range during a patriot missle test firing. and if he makes it through that, have a few phalanx close in air defense guns (20 mm gatling gun to those not in the know) to shred whats left if the missles dont get him.Can you say "wall of lead/depleted uranium?"

[chipbgt]

While I think HE did an unspeakably horrible thing, the answer to his violence is not more unnessecary violence. I am not a tree hugger by any stretch of the word but I tread lightly when it comes to ending someones life, anyones life. Besides with what I believe spiritually, I know that the worst of his judgement and punishment will come after he is gone from Earth, so anything we do to him here pales in comparison to what he will have to suffer through.

[Gene C.]

there is a very simple fix for him.
1. drive him to the spot. bend him over.
2. incert 1 stick dynomite
3. light fuss

just like baseball. three strikes and you out of the game.

[Algee7]

While I have some reservations about the death penalty in general (wrong guy type of issues), in this case I feel he should indeed be put to death. This was an act of terrorism, plain and simple. We can not let this poor excuse for a human live out his natural life in comfort... you know **** well that a few years from now some 'journalist' (like Gheraldo, for instance) is gonna get to interview him and give him a chance to spew his filth all over the media (books, TV, magazines etc). He never will deserve such a chance to get in another strike against this country.

As for the method of execution I say do it the old fashioned way... tie him to a post in a public square and let his surviving victims throw stones at him until he dies. One modification though; put a helmet on his head so he doesn't get away with checking out too quickly from an unlucky shot http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[HARDHEAD]

I remember in history class our teacher talked about executions back in the middle ages he told us once of a device that looked like a large slide but it was actually like a long razor blade they took the victims to the top and slid them down this thing by the time they got to the bottom this blade had sliced from the *** to about shoulder height . He said some times it would just cut the person in half . I don't know about you but just thinking about a blade slicing up my *** makes me squirm .

[Banti]

Alpha...

Where you hands wet?? Did a breaker trip??

These really do not matter. I was trying to impress upon Barney the fact that it is current that kills, not voltage. You can kill someone with 1V if the resistance is low (cause that makes the Amps high), and high Amps kill.

Likewise you can be struck by lightning (thousands of volts) and still live.

~~EDIT

I personally have been shocked by 110VAC and it felt like ants...dry hands.

I have been shocked by a 30Hz signal at -48VDC (ringing signal on phones) and it felt like my arm was being impaled by a cat o' nine tales...sweaty hands.

Banti

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