Thread Crappers

[NoCtrl]

My brother-in-law is looking for some stuff to fix his beater computer. I recommended he try the "User to User, Biz to Biz, Product Exchange" forum. I read some of the messages there and now I'm not so sure that I should have made that recommendation. I'm refering to the messages at http://www.sysopt.com/forum/Forum13/HTML/000719.html I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers and I don't want anyone to feel picked on. I just want some opinions opinions on the discussion.

My brother-in-law has very little experience with computers. I recommended this place because I believe the people here are freindly, honest and treat everyone with respect (no matter how wrong they are :P). But, the messages say it's buyer beware. What's wrong with pointing out that the price is out of line (too high or too low)? It gives feedback on whether its a good or bad deal. I think it's a good thing. If I'm buying or selling, I would want to know that. I wouldn't want to rip anyone off or get ripped off. And, I especially don't want my brother-in-law to get ripped off based on my recommendation. I'd never hear the end of that one.

I'm sure there are a lot of opinions out there. Let me have it.

[Bleeding Edge]

what is he looking for..?

[OuTpaTienT]

hmmm, well those messages were removed so I don't know what was said.

But if they were just pointing out that the asking price was too high, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, if I bought some gizmo from Joe Blow and find out later that I paid too much. Then additionally find out that members here knew it was a high asking price and didn't say anything...you better believe I'd raise some holy hell among the zipper mouths and knowing how I can hold a grudge I'd probably never visit again.

So, it some want to call it "thread crapping" or whatever, I don't care, I encourage it!

[OuTpaTienT]

In fact I have a serious problem with wyvrn's attitude. It dismays me to know that there are people like that even on this board.

[seti]

I can see both sides....

I can see wyvrn's point about how supply and demand wouldn't let that chip get sold at that price. However nobody should really be getting burned (financially or verbally) on this great board. We should feel free to offer our sysopt kin advice on investments, in a kind and courteous matter.

Spring is in the air...the birds are singing, the flowers are budding (not where I am, but somewhere http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif)...peace and goodwill to all man kind.

Haha, cheesy is fun. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by seti (edited 04-02-2000).]

[Mntsnow]

OuTpaTienT

There is some very easy and NICE ways to let both a buyer and seller know of the "going rate" for used hardware http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

YOUR attitude should also be "toned down" IMHO http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif I for one usually don't post in threads where a price might be a touch high in my opionion as maybe the seller is just trying to recoupe the money THEY spent and are not out the "screw" someone over. Also I have yet to see a posting stating "WOW that is SOOOO MUCH LOWER than I can find it anywhere...Dude you should raise your price" As "everyone" is looking for a good deal. So there really isnt a "hard and fast" rule on how to handle the situation but I belive that Joel (SysOpt Admin) posted a great answer on how to go about just that. I have paraprashed what he said in the thread that has already been linked to in this thread. But here is the link to the thread that joel said it :
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/005301.html


Mntsnow
*edited to add the link to joel's answer*

[This message has been edited by Mntsnow (edited 04-02-2000).]

[Ed_S]

We ALL see things priced higher than we would spend. If you're interested, make an offer. If not, move on.

When I buy, I shop for bargains. But not everyone selling can afford to GIVE bargains.

In this case, the item's price MAY be slightly high, but doesn't seem too out of line when you really look. It's not JUST the Cel 300 he's selling, it also includes a peltier and a HS/fan. Those add to the value, and make it more of a fair price. Not a bargain, but not a ripoff either.

Just like selling goods in a newspaper, if a fast sale is needed, you advertise low. But if time is less of an issue, you go with a fair price based on experience & comparisons. You can always lower it, but you CANNOT raise it!

I've seen MANY things sold here that the price was adjusted due to lack of interest. Bought a few of 'em.

I guess the bottom line of my opinion is that unless something is totally out of line, I'd keep my thoughts to myself about an item's price. Even then, I'd find it tough to interfere in somebody else's business.

As to anybody getting taken, if you get what you were expecting at the price you agreed to, you did not get burned.

Ed

[oblivion]

Yea,like I had seen a guy over at anands selling a g400 max for 200$ shipped,sealed in the box new.......I was like forget that,you can get them new from the store for 195$ shipped(this is when I was looking to buy one)......then I went back to surfing the web,and I forgot about it.......a couple of weeks later I went to try and post at anands.....I was banned!!!! I thought this was a bit harsh,and a warning would have been in order......(I have resolved the issue,and I am back there)but I unknowingly stepped into an issue about thread crapping over there..................

The point is,if you want to sell something for new prices.........then by all means do so,I just will not buy it(well I may if I can save 15%)

Consider this guy selling the 300@450,it comes with a really nice cooling system on it if I am not mistaken,and it still goes for more then that new.........I would rather get a 366@550 to be honest with you,but that s just me.............

[OuTpaTienT]

Yeah ok, I may be over reacting a bit. Especially considering the item in question (the Celeron). But I'm not speaking about that particular item at all, I'm speaking about the practice of someone saying "hey I think your price is too high". I don't see what the hangup with that is. And then for anyone saying that to be called "thread crappers" I think is total bs.

Yeah this specific item, Celeron, isn't very overpriced, and I too probably wouldn't have anything to say about it. But if it were $100 or more you better believe I'd speak up and say you're charging WAY too much dude.

And if someone called me a "thread crapper" for that...well, then it's "go time", round 1.

[plucky duck]

hey oblivion, you've been banned too before?

I was just temporarily banned from agn.com cause the mod seemed to be having a bad day.

I wasn't even crapping on anybody's thread.
Hardly do I ever do that.

I was just trying to bargain out a deal with a fellow member there, a little insisting with my desperate attempts, and the mod said I was whining so he locked me up and kicked me out. He even stole my idea of creating a forum over there to create a *bad trader list* and didn't give me and another fellow member credit for it. Even when I've tried logging on as a different user and requesting for his explanation, he gave no consideration whatsoever and continued on with his *DELETE BUTTON*

This is what makes me appreciate this place and the people much more than ever.

Anybody who are members over @ agn.com I dare you to ask for an explanation for my termination as a member, but be forewarned that you may also be banned for just asking. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

Just my 2 cents

Plucky

[buddmann]

I totally believe in dealing with this issue http://www.sysopt.com/forum/redface.gif in the manner that Mntsnow http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif has advised.Read and learn people, as that is what we are here for in the first place. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

buddmann

[NoCtrl]

Bleeding Edge:

Thanks for asking. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I think he wants a new motherboard and hard drive to replace the ones that finally went bad in his old pentium 60mhz (AT) machine. He'll probably need a new CPU too. I don't know how much he wants (or is able) to spend. If he really wants to go through with it, I'll tell him post in the proper forum.

Mntsnow

Joel's (SysOpt Admin) idea seems like a good one. Sorry, I guess I brought up a subject that's already been discussed.

Ed_S

I really wasn't talking about the item I linked to . . . just the buyer beware attitude. That's why I linked to that forum rather than posting a reply there.

You make some good points. Although, I don't agree with the last one. If you get what you were expecting at the price you agreed to that was abnormally high or low, you got burned or a bargain. You just might not know it. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif


Man this is hard. I feel like every sentence I write might offend someone. I take my hat off to you regular posters (and the irregular ones). I think I'll go back to lurking and cracking code.

[Ed_S]

NoCtrl - I know exactly what you mean. I try to watch my words, too. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
Sometimes takes awhile to "compose" a post.
Don't "go back to lurking and cracking code" because of THAT!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
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Now, to explain myself a little further, I'd define "getting burned" more like sending goods or payment and NOT getting what was expected.
If I unknowingly agree to a price that's too high, it's more my fault for not researching.

We all regularly knowingly pay prices that are too high - it's called retail, and we do it everyday on something.

Ed

[Mntsnow]

NoCtrl

I agree with Ed_S Don't go anywhere because of anyone's reply...Just take everything said on a bbs with a "grain of salt" as I have stepped on a few people's toes over the year that I've been an active member here and that goes without saying I've had my toe's stepped on too..but I choose to "keep dancing" http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[Wiz]

thread craps have saved me from paying top dollar a few times...

[OuTpaTienT]

That's good to hear Wiz. And it's because of that I will continue to be a thread crapper...and PROUD OF IT.

[plucky duck]

I believe its ok to do so so long as you're not dumbing the guy down.

Just offer a friendly advice...via email would be best.

Plucky
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Quack! Quack!

[wyvrn]

OuTpaTienT:

I am glad to hear your opinion. I was just posting mine and take full responsibility for it. However, your tone I find a little harsh. At no time did I attack anyone in that thread. I just stated my opinion and asked the forum what they thought. This is not just your forum, other people do have a say so. If I want to state my opinion, I will do when and where I want. If you have a problem with that, perhaps you need to ask Sysopt for moderator status. Until then, chill out and please allow room for other's opinions. I do see your point, and it is a good one at that. However, I have not changed my minds. It is a good thing that we can both co-exist on this board without the needless flaming that occurs when children cannot settle their differences.

[wyvrn]

You took it personally. I never called you a thread crapper. Fact is, you jumped in afterwards. I believe you were the one to make disparaging remarks about me though. And I quote:

"So he makes more than he should...", which translates into so the other guy gets screwed. That's F'ed up wyvm.

and in another thread:


In fact I have a serious problem with wyvrn's attitude. It dismays me to know that there are people like that even on this board.

Though I respect your opinion, I just think you could be a little more "mature" in how you voice it. That is all.



[This message has been edited by wyvrn (edited 04-03-2000).]

[SysOpt]

You should always check several sources for prices to determine whether or not someone's price is a good deal or not. That's true for all products, new and used, bought in a store, online, or through a classified ad system or message board.

http://www.ibuyer.net
http://www.shopper.com
http://www.pricewatch.com

[OuTpaTienT]

Dude. Not once did I say or indicate in any way that you shouldn't be allowed to post your opinion. Post till your little heart's content.

But, if your post is going to involve calling me names (thread crapper, child, whatever) then you best be prepared to tangle. But of course you wouldn't do that because you're so much more "mature". (...now biting tounge)

Why don't we all just move on?