Napster - Wrapster....Is nothing pure??

[seti]

http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=953766089

I suppose it was inevitable that software pirates would start to corrupt the pure and innocent Napster Music Community. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[xtremsabu]

pretty interesting maybe i will check it out

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[alan]

gotta check that out i use nap all the time, think i'll see what i can find might be interesting or not
alan http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[seti]

NOOOOO, this is a bad thing!

[C.C.]

Just curious, but why is this such a bad thing? Am I missing something? I use napster a little and I can't see a problem with this but I've also been known to walk into some walls.......

Casey

[socalgal]

Makes me wonder what else could be 'wrapped' into one of those downloads... http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

At least it says you need special search parameters to access them.



[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 03-23-2000).]

[seti]

Here is an example of how Wrapster can be used to share ANY files you choose
on the Napster network: Let's say a friend of yours has a copy of Win2K still
zipped up from when (s)he first downloaded it from an IRC server. It's
probably about 44 files in total, each of them being about 5 megs in size.
Your friend simply runs Wrapster and creates a new archive with it. Then (s)he
adds the 40-something or so files to the Wrapster archive and places it in
their shared MP3 folder. You connect to the Napster network and search for
either "Win2K" or the special bitrate that Wrapster uses to "encode" its files
and low and behold it will appear in your search window. All you have to do
now to get your copy of Win2K is download it just like any other legitimate
MP3 file and when it's finally saved to your harddrive, just load up a copy of
Wrapster and extract that operating system goodness.

Where do you think that's from???? The Wrapster Help file.

I said it was a bad thing because after the first two reply's I felt like I had provided information to help software piracy, which was not my intent. There are several other file shareing utilities that have become inundated with software piracy and I would rather not have this happen to Napster.

[OuTpaTienT]

lol. That's a good one.

...uh,...hello? I suppose you think snagging copies of you favorite tunes (as opposed to going to Tower Records and actually purchasing the commodity the artist are struggling to sell) is not priracy? Come'on now. I'm not saying I don't use Napster myself, but let's at least be up-front about it and "call a spade, a spade". Napster is based on piracy and wouldn't exist otherwise. "Legit" mp3s innundate the web, you don't need Napster for them.

[seti]

Oh, I'm well aware of the irony, belive me...thus the sarcastic flavor of the opening post.

I was commenting more on how warez seams to seep into every little crevasse on the web, even something as specialised as napster.

[hd581]

Acutally seti, I took it as kind of a tempered sarcasm. So we all jaywalk, record ballgames they say are copyrighted, copy MP3's. Copying software titles and OS's is the same crime but to a larger degree.

And we know they treat MP3 piracy different from Software piracy. Just look at all the old (dial up) BBS busts from way back and more recently IRC busts compared w/ the relatively few MP3 busts. ( And no, colleges shutting down access to Nap is usually a bandwidth issue so those don't count (except Indiana U) )

[oblivion]

I suppose it was inevitable that software pirates would start to corrupt the pure and innocent Napster Music Community......I thake it by your statement that you think it is morally just to download music,but not programs??????


They are no different I tell you,and I would even say that DLing music is worse........I would rather have burnt copys of windows and photoshop..........and not pay microsoft,or any such large company,then to DL an album from napster,and take an individual artists profit from him...................I am not saying I do not use napster though,I am just saying I think it is assinine that some people think it is just peachy to DL MP3s all day long........but then they go "ohmy god,you must be scum for not buying your own software!!!!",when in essencse they are no different..........and I feel that warez are more acceptable then MP3s.......you see if I like an artist I do buy his/her album if it can be found,so they get my support for a job well done.........I do not feel even remotely have these same feelings for large corperations such as MS.............

[oblivion]

I felt like I had provided information to help software piracy, which was not my intent.....napster is music piracy.......what in the hell is the difference..................

[hd581]

What's wrong w/ copying software, Oblivion? It's like taking intellectual property, that's all. That's something I do every time I check out a book at the library. So I'm just borrowing software.

[socalgal]

The thing is, when one buys software, one is only purchasing the right to use it per the EULA, and one must agree to the EULA in order to implement the use of the software. To use it in violation of one's agreement is illegal, IOW, one is breaking a legally enforceable contract.

When one is using software in violation of the EULA (such as a burned copy that is not a personal backup), that one is violating the terms of the EULA for use of that software.

It's not a matter of ethics, it's a matter of law.

[seti]

Ha, I still belive sarcasm is the key to comunitication, it's just tricky.

.....I thake it by your statement that you think it is morally just to download music,but not programs??????

No, you're wrong, quite the opposite in fact. My post was makeing fun of the fact that a lot of people do think that, in my usual sarcastic fashion. "Pure and innocent", please, oblivion, you must of know I wasn't serious. However, I apologize for ever posting the topic in the first place.

As for "what the hell is the difference" between music piracy and softwear piracy, there's arn't many, but a few. The most important relateing to this thread is the fact that this board has much different tolerances for them. I obviously didn't want to appear like I was telling everybody of this new way to get free softwear, as I don't agree with that.

I am not saying I do not use napster though

Do as you say, not as you do, right? http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

..........and I feel that warez are more acceptable then MP3s


To each their own.


[This message has been edited by seti (edited 03-25-2000).]

[oblivion]

hd581,I am not saying that I think pirating software is wrong.........I was just making the point that,MP3s are a form of pirating and most people who knock others for burning/warez do not have a problem with MP3s,they seem to think it is somehow different.

And socalgal.............It is illegal to make copys of movies and audio tapes/CDs.....
just as illegal and against the law as copying software is........I know you have seen the FBI warnings on the vcr/dvd tapes you get...........well copying someone elses tapes is illegal also.......I do not see how anyone could think otherwise....just go and look around HERE (http://www.riaa.org/) if you think it is otherwise.

I never heard of one case where an individual has gotten prosecuted for using pirated software on a personal level(non bussines).....ever..and I do not really see that happening anytime soon.


Seti............and socalgal.....sorry if I seem/seemed harsh of cocky...that is not my intention......I am just speaking my mind......believe me there are no implyied insults,or any thing of that nature.....only my feelings on the subject.

[seti]

No worries here Oblivion, I remember other threads where you've shared this veiw, and it's valid.

[mgordon99]

The bottom line is the information that flows through the bandwidth via the Internet cannot be regulated, any more than a phone conversation can. They can try, but there will always be another leak for every one they try to plug up.

[japerritt]

My view is very different! It might not count for much!This is coming from a musicains veiw. I see nothing wrong with sharing music files, as long as your not getting a entire almbum. Musicians Play are mostly about doing something you love.
Ask a musician how they feel about this topic..most of them just want people to listen . I myself have played for free many times. With most Musicians Its not about the cash as most software gurus . people will always copy albums be it tape deck or napster, thats part of it.they know it, we know it , we have ALL done it. what?,,like you have never copied someones entire album via tape deck!..

[Keermalec]

There IS a big difference between software pirating and music pirating by MP3 download.

When you pirate a piece of music you're not getting EXACTLY what you can buy at the music shop. It'll take some work and time to:

1. Download the MP3s
2. Convert them to WAVs
3. Engrave them on a CD to put in your CD library.

Many people (including me) download MP3s and ALSO buy CDs, because the cost savings are just not so great for an inferior final product.

Now for software that's different. I would NEVER buy a 1200$ Photoshop if I can get it for free on Napster. So the market implications of pirating software are much greater than for music.

On the other hand, pirating may put pressure on the software industry to bring their prices down and so make it less profitable to pirate...

[oblivion]

Most people who do get "pirated software" get it for free..........I have a number of friends that would burn me copys of whatever for me if I needed them for whatever reason......but if I was a proffesional,I would most certainly buy my software retail.

[bhess]

I think most people who use napster download just the common "singles" and not the whole album. I still buy cds at the store if i like the artist.
But, how many of us have gotten "burned" by hearing a single on the radio or TV, go out and buy the album just to find out that the rest of the music on the album is different?

[Wiz]

using pirated software in a buiness is an act of corporate hara-kiri...