Returning child to Cuba?

[jad1097]

What do you think about this thing where our goverment will not return this kid to his father. His mother and step-father died trying to come to this country as many have. But the kid survivded and has some family here. What gives gives his family here the right to say weather he should or should not go back to his birth father and grandparents?
He is an Cuban imagrent child who realy needs to be with his father since his mother is now dead.
Now my opinon is this child or his family here in the states has no say in this matter. He should be promptly retuned to his father.After all he is an immagrant and not a US citizen.
I remember when Clinton tried to say we would not allow anymore Cubans in this country because we were turning around the Hashens(only fair).The Cubans in Miami said they would shut the city down and they tried.They were blocking streets untill the law would come and remove them.Just to move somewere else. Should have put everyone of them in jail. Good thing none of them got in front of my car that day! I would have run them over!
Well that is pretty much how I feel about it.What about you?
Just so you know my mother-in-law is cuban. And my uncle-in-law is very heavy into the Cuban revolution thing. I will ask my M-I-L what she thinks next time I talk to her.

[yaroa]

The tragedy in this is that the Profesional Cuban exiles as well as the Republican Party are using this kid as a political tool, not realizing, or more likely, not caring about the psicological damage that they are doing him.
He belongs with his father.

[U-96]

Eilan should be returned to his natural father, if the man is capable and responsible enough (which he appears to be).
To protest that the child will face a life of poverty and degradation is ridiculous - Cuba's poverty stems from the embargo unilaterally imposed by the USA against this tiny country nearly four decades ago.
Cuba is not North Korea. I feel that these people very much want to be part of the Western Hemisphere, where they belong.
Indeed, a free economy may well remove Castro from power!
There is nothing to lose by trying.

U-96

[Mntsnow]

I wholeheartedly agree that the boy should be returned to his natural father. Janet Reno did determine that he has the legal right to have his boy returned and then the "family" here in the states files an injunction to stop it...thats BS in my eyes! Just because his father and grandparents choose to live in Cuba doesnt give someone with NO legal right to the minor child to stop it! (side note I really hate the fact that the goverment is spending MINE and YOUR tax dollars dealing with this BS! I just about have the frame of mind to file a lawsuit against the relatives in Miami for reinbursment of my tax dollars! Would that serve them right? http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Mntsnow

[jad1097]

Lets file a class action suit! Anyone know a lawyer that would take it? This whole thing with Cuba is bull. What gives our goverment the right to do this? I do not care for Castro but I think if we gave him a chance he would do fine,well no worst than the other islands. Cuba is a beutiuful place at least I have been told it is.
BTW my M-I-l and I have seen many sunrises talking about Cuba.One day I shall go there.

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[BBA]

Well, look at it this way...the boys mother died to give him the gift of living in the USA ( and it is a gift, as anyone who travelled abroad can testify ).

His father did not have custody of him in Cuba...why not? I see something fishy there.

Now, if the boy stays here, cuba will have egg on its face again,and the boy and his US family will be in grave danger of cuban revenge. If the boy goes back, his US family will remain safe.

I really don't care either way, but I think the father should come to the states to claim his child...any country would require that at a minimum, but cuba won't let that happen for fear the father will defect!

Did we do such a bad thing to cuba? Well, we did not institute communist rule or ballistic missles in cuba, the soviets did. If the soviets took responsibility of cuba, why should the US do any business with them?

Hmmm....Cuba...land of drugs, land of communist, land of Castro!

Oh, I think any trading we do with cuba will result in more children starving so Castro can buy more power!

Castro will not ever leave cuban power except for one reason... HIS DEATH!

The only way to free cuba is to invade cuba and instill a democratic leadership, and that ain't gonna happen!


I just don't think Castro cares about one little boy he would have had drowned if his troops would have spotted him!

[medo]

Hello,

Politics again.

The boy should be with his father upon one condition: to be supervised by an independent body on regular basis (psychologist). This is because I do not know his father and his capability to be a father.
Also, most of the US politicians will have to stop playing double standards in relation to other countries.


Medo

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[medo]

Hello,

BBA do not forget that Castro, Sadam and list of them are initially product of the USA.

Medo

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[yaroa]

BBA: Land of drugs? where's the evidence?
Was the mother/child life in danger in Cuba?
I dont want to indict a dead person but how responsible and good parenting it is to put your child in a makeshift boat to cross an ocean?
The father did not have custody of the child because in most Latinos countries, in a divorce the children "belong" with the mother

[montanafan]

I think the child should be with his closest relatives; his father and grandparents in Cuba. It would be great if they could come here to be with him, but that's the American point of view I guess.

I'd really hate to see the U.S. Congress set the precedent of taking children from their parents for political reasons.

[tonym]

Listen. The facts of this whole mess are as follows:

1. Mother, step-father and child leave Cuba on a raft.

2. Mother and step-father die at sea.

3. Child washes up on American soil.

4. "Let the games begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If this kid was let's say Bahamian and the product of a shipwreck whereby his mother/stepfather were killed after the wreck of their cigarette boat or yacht in the Gulf and he washed up on US soil on a piece of driftwood, he would be returned to his closest blood relatives (his natural father) in the Bahamas before an eye could blink.

But, he's a "raft child" who was seeking political refuge in the US of A. Bunk!! He's six years old and not capable of making such a life decision. He was subjected to a *very hazardous* journey by his mother who may not have weighed the consequences of her actions fully enough or may not have cared!

He's not a citizen and therefore not entitled to the rights that we enjoy as citizens. He does however have inalienable human rights among which seem to exist the right to a family...his father is the closest blood relative that he has left. Ideology aside, this man now speaks for his child and since he's bee scrutinized by the world and looks squeaky-clean (like it's our business), the child should go back.

Do the RIGHT thing for a change...send him back.

Tony

[welsh wizard]

My 2 cents , when parents die the next of kin take over, in the order that is of nearest kin first, this is his father, who has every right ot have his son( who is a minor) returned to him.
the words he was with his mother who was seeking refugee status if she arrive is of no matter, even if the boy was to claim asylum, he is a minor and subject to the parental authority of his closest next of kin, makeing him apolitical toy will only leed to mental harm, but when it comes to any government in this world that mean nothing if they think they can make political gain . http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif
WW

[Dave_H]

He should have been sent back a long time ago.
What bothers me is the situation that this kid is in now, a pawn between two countries,
with all the political garbage and the media.
This child is in a no win situation, whatever happens, his life will never be the same. I'm afraid to say that this child will most likely have some serious physiological problems from going through this whole mess. The longer it takes, the worse it will be.
I don't think the kid has even got to the realization of loosing his mother yet, with all the gifts, and Disneyland, and people trying to "brainwash" him into loving the US.
(sorry that term is a little strong).
I saw on the news tonight how his grandmothers have come to this country and now I think this kid will really get put in a bad spot now. (the stuff will hit the fan)
Some people in Miami are so worked up over this, it wouldn't surprise me if there is a
riot when this kid leaves. I think this is gone too far, the people involved need to come to there senses and the child returned to his father at once. I also think that some offer needs to be made (with Castro's permission) to see that this child gets some professional help and counciling to help him face everything he has been put through, and hopefully he can adjust to a "normal" life.

This is my opinion, and my opinion alone, sorry if I offended anyone.
Dave

[Ed_S]

It should not matter WHAT country he is from. Or their politics, economy, etc. None of that is relative to his custody.

This is not a government matter.
It is a family matter.

It's that simple.

[Wiz]

they dont want to send him back all that much cuz it is quite the ego-booster for Castro. He could use itto his advantage in his propaganda

[R[][]FER]

I've been trying to follow the news reports as to WHY the mother was trying to get to the USA.
Was she fleeing the husband and Cuba...or just Cuba...or just the husband?
It doesn't matter really.
I personally think she was fleeing Cuba for a better life. And I wouldn't blame her.
If that is the case, then I think he should be sent back to Cuba and when he is of the proper age to seek asylum in another country, then he will choose what he wants to do.
Why the politicians in any country stir up such a pot, I'll never figure it out.
Right now we have an invasion of Chinese aliens defecting to BC Canada in old boats and now cargo containers. Over 600 this summer and continueing.
Our government is spending millions of OUR tax dollars housing them and looking after them better than our own citizens. They give them the best medical care, special foods that they request (or they go on hunger strikes) and everything they ask for. The government has even modified our old jails, that weren't suited for our convicts, to the tune of millions, just to hold these aliens until they are processed properly. This is going to take months to process them. Our tax dollars are even going to lawyers, interpetors, special this and special that.
Geez and our own are going hungry and dying on the streets.

I now realize why our government wants to control guns...maybe they are afraid of something ...and I'm not talking about the criminals either.

Sorry for venting.

Take care

[narayan]

Ok, here comes my .02 Elian should be allowed to remain in the US. Anyone who escaped a dictatorship, especially one like Castro's, must be allowed to stay in this great nation. To even think of sending a young boy to a country ruled by an evil man makes me wonder if we Americans really know what we have in our freedom. Castro is probably holding a gun to Elian's father's head, telling him to get the child back. Elian wants to stay, political asylum is available to everyone, regardless of age. He will have a good life here in America. His would not have a life in Cuba.

[R[][]FER]

narayan...

Sorry to differ with you. Elian probably didn't decide to escape to the USA. His mother and relatives did. He doesn't even know what the difference is between Cuba and USA. He is too young for this, to comprehend the difference.

Just my $.02

[jad1097]

But its ok for us to send familys back to Hatti? Kind of a double standard isn't it? What about their political asylum? It is far worst there than in Cuba. I would bet money if we left Cuba alone it would prosper.

[Swarozyc]

I'd want my child back. He should be returned to his father!
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In 1997 $414,000 was paid for 25 Trinidad cigars made in Cuba!!!

[narayan]

If I lived in Cuba with my son (I do not have a child, hypothetical situation) and he were able to excape the dictatorship of Fidel Castro, I would think it a good thing for my kid to be living in the States with relatives and one day would hope to escape myself. I would ALWAYS put the wellbeing of my child ahead of my own. Fidel Castro is an evil man. another .02 http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[RONALDvd#22]

I am from external affairs (Holland),and I say:It isn't my government so I won't get into this.

[pickel]

The question that really needs to answered at this point is "Where will this child grow and attain his full potential???". He has plenty of relatives willing to care for him on either side of the 90 mile pond. Where, indeed..... I'm only going to make one comparison to make my point. Rememeber ...
"Banzai"??? If you took a clip from the Japanese Propaganda films shown to Empirical
Army and Navy, and the News reports coming out of Cuba, with the mothers waving flags,
chanting their slogans, all herderd together
for all the world to see!!!Not much has changed. History repeats itself. The only thing I would send to Cuba would be all their expatriots who sit in our prisons. Give them their own headaches back and use that tax money to feed the poor and unfortunate, that can't fend for themselves.

the pickel

[jad1097]

It sickens me to think this child is still not with his father!http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/03/21/cuba.boy.05/index.html

I bet these people will apeal this and keep this kid away from his father.

"Reno said the U.S. government would seek to return the boy to Cuba in a prompt, fair and orderly manner, but she declined to say whether the department had a target date for returning the boy."

When next year?

[jad1097]

For those who may be intrested I have acopy of the court ruling on my site.

http://members.home.net/mdevaney/elian.pdf

[Mntsnow]

It is so sad that OUR goverment is dragging it's feet in returning the boy to his Father! Not to mention the pain and angish that his father must be going thru....and the longer they take the WORSE it will be on the boy!

Mntsnow

[narayan]

I think we oughtta keep the kid. First of all, Cuba is a terrible country. We have forgotten what a rotten place this really is. Castro is an evil dictator. I believe that the kid wants to stay here. I do believe that Elian's father probably wants him back, but what father would want his child to grow up in communist Cuba when the child would have a chance to grow up in America? I believe with my heart that Castro wants the child in Cuba more than Elian's father does. How could we possably send a little kid to a place like Cuba? Pollitical asylum should be available to all who flee dictatorships like Castro's.

And another thing. With most issues, politicians differ largely along party lines. However, I do not believe that either party is using this situation. I believe it has to do with different viewpionts of freedom.

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[jad1097]

This child belongs with his parent no matter what you or I think of Castro. My M-I-L is Cuban as a matter of fact. And her views on Castro are not any worse than those she has of JFK.
Our country should get of their ***** and send him back where he belongs. Have you ever been to miami? Sorry but these people think they own the city, well they pretty much do, and most of Dade county.

Lets see grow up in poverty caused by our goverment or grow up im an extremly violent society(Miami)? Seems to be a simple choice to me.
Hey I have an idea, lift this **** outdated embargo we have on them.
This child did not flee Cuba his mother did and died trying, on a tube @ that! Pollitical asylum? What is Castro going to kill this child for fleeing his island? This child is not a US citzen and does not have the ability to choose were he lives.
I will also tell you that my uncle-in-law is imvolved in the some type of Cuban revolution in Miami and if someone has family here and wants out of Cuba there is no need to do what these people choose to do. There are trips made all the time to get people out of there this is a fact.
We do we not take Hashings(sp?)so why do we take Cubans? Take one take all! I have few problems with imigrants coming to this country, as that is how my family came here many years ago.

If this was another coutry this would have been resolved by now.
I feel very stongly about this as a father and an american.

[oblivion]

Very simple........ask the boy where he wants to be........if he says "I want to be with daddy" then by all means send him back..
and if he says "I want to never go back" then
do not make him go.....the sad thing here is
that they do not really give a ratts *** where he goes............they just want to look good probally for a stupid election.

I have respect for Castro(he is not much of a bull****ter,and he has balls) when I compare him to US politicians............US politicians are probally some of the most degenerate scum
sucking bastards on the face of this planet....and even worse,they lie and get away with it................grr....that is another topic though.......

[jad1097]

oblivion
I have to agree with the respect for Castro and US politicians, but the kid is too young to make that kind of decision.

[narayan]

I don't think the politicians are using this kid for political gain. Everyone loves kids. As to why we don't take Hatians (sp?), I don't know. I just believe in my heart that Elian should remain here. Remember that Elian was not living with dad at the time, I wonder why... It would seem a waste of his mother's life, she wanted him to have a good life in America, and now she is not here to see her dream come true. Castro is an evil dictator and I applaud anyone who has the guts to try and get away from him.

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[oblivion]

Well I think if the child felt a strong love for his father,and a need to be with him,who are we to take him away from that?
And if he wanted to stay here and be with his other family......who are we to refuse the other children of the world the very same right?


Congrats on the ultimate member jad....sorry I didn't notice earlier.