Voodoo 5? GeForce 2's got it beat already!

[AuraEdge]

Now that they unviel the numbers on the Voodoo5...things get a bit interesting.
The Top Voodoo5 will have a fillrate of 1.33gtexels/s, witch is 2 texels/clock * 166 Mhz core speed * 4 VSA-100 chips * 1 texel/pixel. Itll use 128MB of 166Mhz SDR SDRAM, but the effective memory usage is divided by 4 for each chip, making it 32MB SDR SDRAM. The 2 chip one can make 11Million triangles, so ill assume this one can make 22million. Itll cost around 600 bucks...

Now the GeForce2GTS's spoilers (http://www.actumicro.com/eng_geforce2_1.asp) are stating a 1.6GTexel/s fillrate. (4 pixels/clock * 200 Mhz Core speed * 2 texels/pixel). It'll also come with 32MB of DDR SDRAM, and it can use all of it, as its only one chip. It can do 25million triangles/s. I think itll retail around 330 when it comes out.

Now the Geforce 2 GTS will have better fillrate, faster memory, a cheaper cost, T&L, wont take up another wall socket, and wont have 4 fans whirling inside. Also a higher fillrate should mean it can so FSAA better.

3dfx has....T-buffer and glide? Its main selling point, FSAA, may even be weaker than NVidia's due to its lower fillrate and memory speed.

Assuming NVidia can deliver the goods with the specs stated, i feel sorry for anyone who goes out and gets a V5.



[This message has been edited by AuraEdge (edited 04-24-2000).]

[IceStorm]

Feel sorry all you want. I'll take a 3dfx combination vid card and ez-bake oven, thank you. I need something to tide me over until Matrox's next release in September/October.

[AuraEdge]

ez-bake? huh..?

[IceStorm]

The V5-6000 has four VSA 100 chips, 128MB of RAM, and requires an external 100-watt power supply (it uses over 50 watts of power).

Ez-bake ovens use a 40 to 60 watt lightbulb to bake little cakes.

Now do you understand the analogy? :-)

What, you think I'm going to buy the piddly little V5-5500?

[AuraEdge]

I know, the Voodoo 5 6000 uses more power and cant even make cupcakes!

[starcraft_azzkikr]

hey doesthe voodo5's do 32 bit color rendering nad other stuff that even the voodoo 3 3500 dont do?

SA

[AuraEdge]

Yep, its got 32bit now..finally

[FrozenLiquidity]

Yeah, I don't know what 3Dfx is thinkin'. They're idiots if they think that GPU's are useless and that Hardware T&L is a big hoax. Ans what's with this, I have not yet seen one 3Dfx card with DDR RAM!!! We all know the importance of these things and if 3Dfx doesn't realize it soon, they're going to be too far behind to catch up!

I wish someone could talk some sense into them...

Mmmm, Cupcakes....

[This message has been edited by FrozenLiquidity (edited 04-27-2000).]

[AuraEdge]

DDR for Voodoo 5, even if it supports it, will be mucho expensive, because of its scalability.to make 128MB of SDR SDRAM into DDR SDRAM, itll bring the cost of the V5 6000 to about 1000 bucks, assuming it takes 100 bucks to make 32MB SDR SDRAM into 32MB DDR SDRAM

[Wilan Wong]

3dfx has lost its brains since the Voodoo2's, their Voodoo3's were a bit much behind the TNT2 and now they behind even more, their Voodoo5 5500 AGP can't even compete against the GeForce256 (NV10) in most apps (lower res.). I hardly think that the Voodoo5 6000 AGP would even scratch the GeForce2 GTS! 3dfx is gone... I wonder how the Voodoo4's are going to perform...

[alpha]

Well, I think the TNT2 wasn't particulary brilliant - it was essentialy just a faster clocked TNT and the V3 was a 2d/3d fast Voodoo2.
Me, my money's on S3 or 3dfx.

[AuraEdge]

Well I got a Job, no bills to pay, and a TNT...that warrants getting a GF2GTS doesnt it? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

BTW the V5 6000 can make more pixels/sec than the GF2GTS. Its just that the GF2GTS can make 2 textures per pixel per pass.
Another thing - The V5 5500 will be cheaper than the GTS, so it may take a good position as a more affordable card as the V3 2000/3000 has done in the past

The GTS has TONS of muscle tho...not much new stuff since Geforce tho....Kinda makes me leary whether to jump now or wait ANOTHER generation.


[This message has been edited by AuraEdge (edited 04-29-2000).]

[neo_otyugh]

the benchmarks i ahve seen at sharky extreme show the geforce2 beating the V5 just about everywhere...even at higher resolutions where memory bandwidth comes into play...the only place the V5 beats a 1st gen geforce is at higher resolutions...
looks like 3dfx is not making par now.

[skybolt_1]

I wouldn't even think of purchasing the V5, now that ive read the reviews of the G2. that things insane, especially for the money. unforcenatly, i probably wont be able to afford either of them http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[Angelo]

One thing that will give the V5 5.5K and 6K an advantage over the GeForce2 is the memory bandwidth. The GeForce2 may have higher spec numbers when compared to the V5 6k but the 6k will perform better because the memory bandwidth isn't as great of a factor as it is on the GeForce2. That's the one place where multiple chip cards have the advantage.

[oxOGradiusOxo]

As bad as I hate cr0bar, his rant about the V5 makes decent sense.

http://www.detonate.net/rants/v5/

I'm a hardcore Nvidia lover, so 3dfx will have to "show me the money" to get me to switch. I've got my v770(32mb) @ 150/183 with the new ref. bios, and I'm loving it. I've had the v770 for about 5 months, got it for $90 shipped on Ebay. Never been happier (translates to: I've never had any money too buy a GF2, but when I do, you better believe I'll toss that TNT2 out the window) http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[seti]

3dfx is dieing. There's no way anyone (that I know) could justify laying $600 down on the 6000. It's plain nutty. $600!!!!! It doesn't even have DDR...even though the 6000's memory bandwidth is higher than the gts (10.6 vs 5.3). I can't see the 6000 at it's currently estimated street price being an issue in the graphics chip war this time around. The 5500 vs. gts story has more meat to it. Hardware FSAA is nice. I've been hateing jaggies as long as I can remember, and I think it will surely find it's way on to nv20 by popular demand. T&L is also great...just not quite yet. However the GeForce 256 is fast enough that owners of that card will play future games that impliment T&L at decent resolutions and frame rates.

With GTS, and Radeon and G450 comeing...to me there's no reason to give 3dfx a break and buy what is essentialy a last generation card. They broke Moore's law, punish them. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

Speaking of Radeon and the G450; I really wish ati matched the gf2's 4 pipelines X 2 texture unit architechture. Being able to do 3 textures in one pass is nice and all...but I think the two pipelines will end up being quite the bottleneck, probably worse than the gf2's memory bottleneck. The G450's new support of DDR in addition to the Dual Bus architechture should be pretty speedy. Along with the die shrink and another ramdac it should be a pretty cool card even though it's not aimed at gamers.

I'd use the spell check but it crashes IE everytime. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

mmmm, sleep......

[Inferior]

Fine than you losers.....

If 3Dfx isn't good enough for ya, than have a peek at the voodoo6 stats..

And my old jazz adrenaline rush (voodoo rush)
has 32 bit color, and its a 6 meger thats like 2-3 years old...

And it even runs q3 perfectly, It was almost the first 3d card on the market....

So when your trashing 3Dfx, don't just look at the present, look at the past too, cause 3Dfx were the innovators....

[AuraEdge]

Rush?
Wasnt rush 3dfx's black sheep?
I dont remember that far back anyways...
The TNT hasta be one of the greatest chips ever made, im still using it in my system, and run just about everything at 1024x768x16 or lower.
I used the banshee side by side with my TNT..It just didnt compare.
My frievds V2 was nice, still is infact...but hes a hardcore fragger that shuts off all visuals for max FPS, kinda a waste so i never got to see the real power of the V2. The voodoo graphics started it, and gave a nice push to older systems, but its history isnt as solid as Nvidia's. After the Riva128, which by itself wasnt a bad chip at all, they always released a chipset that was the best of that generation (TNT -> TNT2U -> Geforce DDR -> Geforce2 GTS)