Town Draging=would make me happy

[Gene C.]

this has got to be about the lowest and sorriest person in the world. this just burnet my a** when I read this. I think they should wrap a chain aroung his neck and drag him tho town real slow as they poured alchole on him and than let the childs family do what ever they want to him. this is only my outlook on this. your may be different. or maybe we could just smear him with dog food and let the wild dogs on him. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/TopNews/article.asp?docid=RTNEWS-CRIME-DRAGGING&date=20000223

[OuTpaTienT]

I agree. A good slow drag through some of the Utah salt flats. And don't stop until there's nothing left but a chain.

[noresull]

How in the H-E-double hockey sticks, can he put in a plea of not-guilty, what a loser!!!

I say somebody should go break him out of jail and take care of him themself!

That *******!

That really burns me up, I hate people with no hearts!!!

I mean, the boys mother just wanted him to stop to let her son go!

[deep_sky]

that is sickening....
da** that just pisses me off to hear stuff like that happen. how can this society produce so many...they are not human, that's for sure...monsters for lack of better word.

i agree with outpatient. drag this thing through the salt flats with no clothes until it is dead...no mercy for things like that.

[OuTpaTienT]

Ya know, it's the really crappy aspects of life (like this tragedy) that push me towards believing in things I would otherwise logically question, like Heaven. Because that little boy deserves to be nowhere less. Geeez, six years old. It brings tears to my eyes.

[Gene C.]

I got to say. I love you all's way of thinking. I just saw the news clip. and the boy acted like nothing had happened. they say he draged for 4 miles at 80 miles a hr. I not fully stand behind my ruleing on this. and would even support a town hanging. or better yet. ship him to fl. and we'll give him a slow short circut from old sparkey. god, this really makes me just love the death "CAPITOL PUNISHMENT"

[Mntsnow]

Ohhh...I'll tell ya He wouldnt last here in utah. Had I been on that scene I would be the one in court as that "punk" would have been declared "dead on the scene" as well! That just upsets me to no end http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

Mntsnow

[Target]

You know, as nice a guy as I would like to think I am sometimes.......thinking about this horrible deal has really made me think about how evil I could be.

Killing this criminal is not the anwser here folks....and let me tell you why. BECAUSE IT LETS HIM OFF THE HOOK!

At the moment, I am thinking of several alternatives, but all of them include some form of painful punishment or torture that takes this a$$hole to the very brink of death, but then spares his life, allows him to heal, and provides us with an opportunity to do something to him all over again!! This f*ck deserves to live a horror like that over and over again EVERY DAY of his life!!!

[Gomer]

Now everyone will probably hate me for this. The whole thing is a horrible situation. What that six year old boy went through had to be pure torture and I hope for his sake it was over quick for him. But this guy that did it was trying to steal a car. His goal wasn't to hurt anybody seriously or to kill anyone. It certainly wasn't to drag a 6 year old boy to his death. These talks of torturing and capitol punishment are a bit overzealous. The guy isn't a "monster" or "heartless", he was a car thief. Now, if he were laughing about it and showed no remorse whatsoever, these things that have been said are understandable, but we don't know that to be the case. I remember a short while back where two white men chained a black man to their truck and dragged him for several miles. This man was alive for the entire journey until his head struck a culvert and he was decapitated. The methods of punishment are suited better for the truck situation then for the case of the six year old boy. I agree that is was horrible and I believe in capitol punishment. But I also believe that is a form of punishment that is very final and should be used wisely. Just my thoughts folks, please don't hold my lack of bloodlust against me.

[Roraycr]

Send him over here to Texas. We'll strap him down right next to Betty Beets

[Apostle 83]

Gomer!?
Wut do you mean his goal wusn't to hurt anybody? Even if he stole an SUV and no one got hurt, they're still out 30-50k! Come on! And then on top of that, the fag killed a 6 year old kid! I think an injection of plain air into his veins instead of a stinkin 'lethal' injection would give the guy wut he deserves!

[Wiz]

I think we should take a lesson from the movie se7en, have him remove a pound of flesh, no more, no less, no cartelage or bone, but only flesh. I hardly think it is extreme in this case.

[mudoggy]

Horrifying story...

Definitely agree: Slow, painful lingering death for that SOB, slow enough to let him think about it... really think about it.

Another note: "they're out 30 - 50 K"
Chevy Blazer? I'll sell you all the Blazers you want for 30-50K!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

I think the MOTHER should be charged for reckless endangerment as well. True, the guy committed the crime, but you should **NEVER EVER** leave a child in a vehicle alone, I don't care how "quick" you will be on your errand or what the situation is, it irresponsible. AND SHE LEFT THE KEYS IN THE VEHICLE! Use your head. More than one child has been hurt 'playing' with cars that had the keys in them.. I myself, when I was little, shifted my mom's car into neutral (parking lot was slightly inclined), and it started to slowly roll into a busy intersection from the parking lot we were in. Luckily she ran out and stopped it just before it made it into traffic... scared the hell out of all involved!!! Needless to say, she learned a valuable lesson (myself as well), and never made that mistake again.

(grrr.. now I'm all worked up!! hahaha http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif )

[dkozloski]

The saddest part of this whole deal is when he is let go with a slap on the wrist after he explains he was disadvantaged or was a victim of too severe toilet training or some other B.S. If you want to be disgusted and enraged just wait til some shyster lawyer gets him off.

[desmocat]

First off, I personally have no mercy for a thief, but what also needs to be said is that did the mother leave the keys in the ignition and/or the vehicle running? I can't count the times I have been out and seen this occur at gas stations and convienience stores! This also pisses me off to no end because it makes everybody elses insurance go up when the scumbag thieves see an easy take. I got into an arguement with a woman over this when I was stopped at a store having a cold drink on my motorcycle and she parks on the SIDE of the building,she can't see her car from the inside, gets out and goes inside.In the back seat,was a child about 2-3 yrs old. I waited for her to return and chewed her *** about what she did!
I could care less if the dumbass lost her car, I just wanted to point out that her child could have been gone in the blink of a eye, just because she was lazy and didn't shut off her car. Well as expected, she gave me some smart-*** comeback to which I replied"what if I wanted your car or your kid? Just because I look innocent doesn't mean I couldn't be casing the joint for an opportunity like this". Every time I see this,I will sit and wait for the parent to return,but I don't say anything anymore, I just want to make sure something like what happened to the lady in the story doesn't happen when I can maybe prevent it. This is not a B.S line, I just think of it as my good deed for the day. Also, may God have mercy on this person, because I have a feeling when he gets inside, if word gets out as to what he did,the inmates are not going to be kind to him..

[wyvrn]

Well I have to agree that the mother was an idiot here. She left her kid in the car with the keys in the ignition. That does not excuse the wrongs of the thief, but a question to be asked here is of the fitness of the mother. You would think one would protect their child like a lioness protects her cubs. The efforts she applied came too late. A vehicle is replaceable, but the child can never be.

[Gene C.]

I know I would be better off not to respond to this anymore. But, the type of person "I AM". first, I do feel the mother if a fault somewhat.
And the boys family is at fault for not raiseing there son not to be a worthless scumbag.
And the courts should be at fault for not doing the eye for an eye thing to.

I don't think that these are the issues here. it is the issue that we as AMERICANS can no longer have a regular and safe way of life. we can't go to the store,out to eat, kids to school. or even out your own door. without looking over your back. I blame the sorry bleeding hearts this world has born into our lifestyles. and the way they say it was this and it was that. well, if it was your family it would be a different story. we in fl. killed two people in the last two days. and there should be one a week from here on out. or on a daily basic. and you will see a decline in this kinda stuff. I have been in jail alot and I got what I had comeing to me. and I think it is a waste of my tax dollars and everyone else to see them alive everyday. with all the freedom of life they want. the prison and jail system is alot of our tax dollars wasted. and as far as this boy. I would like to have a talk with him myself. I think it would be worth the jail time to teach him not to steal. or maybe yet. I could do the same to one of his family members. and let him watch. sorry about my outlook. I just see this in my mind. when I see a little smileing child and thank they could be next or it could be your child. when are we going to take back our lifestyle and put a stop to all this. Let the laws do there job and put a stop to all this inhumane treatment to a person that kills or breaks the law. Like a picture in my office says. "Kill em all, let God sort them out. up with the eye for an eye and down for the bleeding heart crybaby liberals.

Let the executions began and you will see a change in these worthless scumbags lifestyles.

this has been a public message from a person that would become a state to state executioner in a second.

[phecky]

Puts a lump in my throat and turns the stomach esp. when you put yourself in the her shoes.

[tonym]

There's a special place in hell for scum like this. It makes me wonder that maybe there's a sub-species of human being hiding amongst the masses -- looks like, walks like, but doesn't think like. This really challenges the notion that "...all men are created equal."

He needs to be punished...in a manner compensatory with his crime. I like the idea of the "Big Punishment Blender" or the "Evaporating Laser of Justice" or "The Insane Clydesdale Stomp of Retribution". Televise it on pay-per-view as a deterrent and give the proceed's to the victim's family.

I think that until society says "enough" and perhaps implements a more ruthless punishment for crimes like this, we're doomed to read about these very unfortunate and sickening incidents over and over and over...

I'm going to look for some draft horses now.


Tony

[pickel]

Just send him to me....

[Gene C.]

let see two in fl. one in tx. a good start. might be a good year after all. LOL, he he ha ha, http://news.lycos.com/headlines/TopNews/article.asp?docid=RTNEWS-EXECUTION-TEXAS&date=20000224

[Gomer]

second degree murder
n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from first degree murder, which is a premeditated, intentional killing or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape or armed robbery.

a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight.

That is the crime which "society" is charging this man with. Non-premeditated murder. I imagine he will plea down to manslaughter. To say there needs to be "more ruthless punishment for crimes like this" is wrong. If you think publicly execution of this man is called for you have deeper issues then he does. If you think "injecting air in to his viens" and having him die slow and painfully is the right thing, there are issues there as well. What would all this torture and execution be a deterent to? Car theft and stupidity? The man did not intend on dragging this boy do death as he did. The fact remains though that he did kill someone and he is being charged with it.

If this man had raped the boys mother in front of him, raped the boy, then killed them both, then he is a monster. Maybe he even deserves to die for his crime. What he did was unknowingly dragged this boy to death. When you cut right to it, the mother is as guilty of this childs death as he is.

Thousand of children are molested each year, that is a horrific crime. Children are killed in cold blood every year. People are knowingly and purposefully tortured and killed every year. Reserve such punishments for them. What happened with this boy was a "horrific incident", not a "horrific crime." Get a grip on yourselves. America isn't about vigalante justice and torture, it is about due process. Reserve Capital Punishment as a deterent for premeditated, violent acts.

[deep_sky]

according to the article, the mother screamed at him o stop and he didn't. he just kept on driving. i say no mercy for "things" such as this "person" who did this.....

[Target]

Ya know Gomer, I began to respond to your latest post with a rather long and well thought out response, and then it dawned on me that whatever I had to say to you would make no difference. We all have differing viewpoints on this topic, and we are all entitled to think/feel what we do in that regard...... I do however think that trying to discuss this with you would be like debating with a Lawyer about the difference between what is right and wrong, versus what is legal.

I agree with you that if in fact the mother left the child in the car, and the keys in the ignition, she is guilty of a neglegent act and incredible stupidity. But I somehow feel that you are trying to equally divide the blame for the childs death between the mother and the car thief, and I'm finding that more than a little hard to swallow right now.

You don't believe in capital punishment, fine, you're entitled to that opinion. Remember though, that seperating crimes into categories based on matters of degree is usually only of service to the criminal in helping him/her to evade a punishment that is fitting for their acts.

I don't think that the idea of more ruthless punishment for crimes like this is wrong at all......in fact, its the lack of such punishment that is the root cause of problems associated with the failure of our justice system. Criminals have no fear of repercussions, and our justice system is perfectly willing to give every criminal the opportunity not to be held fully accountable for their own actions.

Until we return to a situation in which the punishment for each and every crime is severe enough to outweigh any/all possible gains from comitting a crime, criminals will continue to roll the dice and take their chances on getting caught. Unfortunately, for the rest of society, we're left to deal with the impact those people create in our lives.

America might not be about vigalante justice and torture......but perhaps if we were more so, criminals would re-think the crimes they were about to commit.

[Gomer]

In no way was I trying to equally divide the blame for the childs death between the mother and the car thief. Actually it came off a bit like that, but my point was niether the mother or thief meant for a life to be lost.

Also, I support capital punishment wholeheartedly when it is appropriate. When is it? When you steal a car? When you kill someone? What if you kill three people? Do you get killed three times?

A friend of mine and his twin brother were celebrating their 21 birthday. They were drunk off thier asses and were making a trip to purchase more alcohol with two other friends. Well, one brother was driving and lost control of the car. The brother not driving and one of the friends were killed instantly. He survived. He killed two people, one his twin borther, on his birthday. What should his punishment be? Should we kill him, or torture him, jail time? Or should society just let him live because every day he is alive he will carry the memory of what he did. Every Birthday he celebrates will not be an anniverary of the day he killed his brother and best friend. This situation is the same for the most part as the crime commited by the thief. He took two lives while commiting a crime (DUI). He didn't plan on it, but he is responsible for it. But wait, an eye for an eye, Lets launch him through a windshield at 75 mph, if he somehow survives, do it again. Wait, better yet. Put it on TV. We can have a FOX special. We will call it "When good friends go bad" It would deter drunk driving, but is it right? Then again, it probably wouldn't be a deterent because most people under the influence of drugs don't think coherently about their actions. Oh well, we will have plenty of FOX specials to watch.



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[Gene C.]

thanks for the great outlook on my views. I hope I can be there one day to see something like this happen to "another persons "child. and I can say. well, it's ok. remember how you felt when the shoe was on the other foot. and like you say sh** happens. I was locked up one time and it cost me almost 5 grand. I was charged with agarvated assault & battery for breaking a man nose that lives close to me for him hitting his daughter in the face. and it was worth every penny of it. and the charges were droped. still have to have a attorny for I had past charges to this affect. and the judge sware out a bench warrant on the man and he got 90 days in jail for it. and I would have done worse to this boy. this is the same as someones wife telling me not to shoot her husband and I kill him anyway. and I than blame the wife for leaving the door open while they watched TV. how can you ever justifie a adult for what ever reason for killing a child. I had better stop now. before I get kicked off this bbs. but, I would really like to say my outlook on this and some of the post here. but , I won't. and I'll just leave this post alone in the future.

[alan]

he deserves the same as what he did to that child nothing more nothing less (eye for an eye syndrome) but surely its your society on a whole that could be blamed, some of the other post's hint at it,
this post started out to be a hellofa lot longer but i deleted it, i didnt want to offend anyone by some of my comments.
alan http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

[OuTpaTienT]

Truth is, I'd love to personally tie this lowlife to my bumper and take him on an asphalt-skiing expedition, and as an individual, it's my right to feel as such. But it would not be right for society (ie. our laws & justice system) to start factoring in various "vengence levels" for various degrees of crime.

If he didn't know the child was attached to the vehicle, then I must agree it's 2nd degree murder. However, if it could be proven that he was aware of the child being dragged and still continued as he did,...then it should be 1st degree w/Death Penalty.

And don't misunderstand my viewpoint...I'm not softening at all how I feel. If it were just me & him out on a lone highway, you can bet his fillings would be making sparks at about 75-80mph. I just don't think we should have vengence incorporated into the passing judgement on law breakers. Vengence is a personal and emotional thing, and should remain so. Structure of society and laws that govern it should remain impartial and logical.

There's a good reason for our Lady of Justice sporting a blindfold.

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[U-96]

"Eye for an eye" is a Jewish concept, not a Christian one. It is still very obvious in Israeli foreign policy doctrine.

If you all want to execute, torture, maim, defile this guy, that's fine. But then ask yourself if you are any different.

Mercy and compassion are the only things that make us different from this scum.

He owes society a life, but it should not be his own.

U-96

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[alpha]

That thief should be hanged, drawn and quatered and have his body spread over places of internment,

That was just sick!

[Gene C.]

http://news.lycos.com/headlines/TopNews/article.asp?docid=RTNEWS-CRIME-DRAGGING&date=20000225

[wyvrn]

One of the reasons I am not sure he deserves the death penalty is because we do not know the guy knew that he was dragging the kid. I mean, the story says "the woman shouted for him to stop". Did he hear? Were the tires squealing? Was the window rolled up? Maybe he thought she was screaming just for him not to steal the car. A LOT of BIG ifs here. If the guy knew or had any notion that child was in danger, then he deserves to die. I will say I am not one for capital punishment as I believe it is only God who should judge a life and death sentence. If it can be shown without a shadow of a doubt the guy somehow did not know the kid was in danger or even in the vehicle, then at LEAST an un-premediated murder charge. I dont think capital punishment would apply there. But I DO think he should be held accountable for the death because he WAS responsible.
The mother was an idiot and perhaps does not deserve the daily mental punishment she is sure to endure, but she was not completely innocent here folks. She did not act in the best interests of her own child be leaving him in the car AT ALL. Much less leaving the car running. A lot of variables to look at, and I for one believe in the American Justice System to find out the whole truth and distribute punishment accordingly. We shall learn more details as time goes on. If I have a child, I am not going to leave him in the car, much less a running one. Still, I feel for the mother and the families of the child.

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[pickel]

Too much rhetoric, just send him to ME!

There's been alot of debate on technicalities
here. The bottom line... imagine that this was your Flesh and Blood. Need I say more..

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[Prospero]

Just a side note here. This was a double tragedy for this family. I found out through a round about way that this kid was an ECMO baby. That means that the kid went on heart lung bypass after birth and was near death. This family had their baby survive this only to be dragged to death later.

[wyvrn]

Vigilante justice. There was a reason this was abolished, right ? For instance: blood wars. Oh yeah forgot, we still have the mob.

[grandslammer]

****! Where mthe hell do people like this come from? Certainly not from God!

And you know what hurts me the most, I have three kids myself. Can you imagine seeing that happen to your someone's kid, let alone your own?

What kind of hell did that poor child and his mother go through?

Give your kids an extra hug and kiss today, and every day.

Mike

[grandslammer]

Imagine what kind of hell they both went through. Give your kids an extra hug and kiss today and every day........

Mike

PS, I didn't realize this was a two-pager. Sorry for the double post........

But, I guess it deserves it too......

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[Chaostician]

Many years ago my father was stationed in the Arab states. There he saw many beheadings and other forms of punishment used in the local area. I believe that the proper verdict for this type of crime was:

DOUBLE BEHANDING !!!

I belive he should live for the soul reason that others may see what he has done and what his punishment is. Therefor deturing anyother attempts of crimes of this nature.

(I would really like to fold his knees and elbows backwards with a 15lb sledge and crush both of his hands with a roofing hammer but he would, most likely, die with that type of damage.)

- One mans view on crimes such as these.
-Chaostician

[alpha]

Think of how guilty the guy who tried to get the kid out of the car would feel!