Do You Believe This?

[grandslammer]

I got this in an e-mail recently. Do you believe this, or do you think it's just ****?

Anyway, here it is.......

I heard on the radio about 3:45 p.m. on KDIA radio station of a very vicious
and evil act. It seems as though some people have nothing better to do with
their lives.

A woman died recently from licking the deposit envelope at a Bank of America
ATM. It was laced with cyanide. Investigators stated that they went back to
the ATM and found 6 other envelopes in the slot. Her death was determined by
an autopsy report and of course, she became ill at the ATM.

Please, I implore you to use extreme caution when using those envelopes. The
radio station advised that you should spit on the envelope and close it. I
know this sounds gross, but better gross than DEAD, or keep tape in your car
and tape the envelope.

PASS THIS ON AND DO TELL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE!

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[Apostle 83]

I believe it. I hate it, but the cliche "you never know when you're gonna die" is quite true! Man, cyanide on a bank envelope... thats pretty sick. No excuse for it, but I have to say, some one must have not felt too good about themselves to do something like that-we need to start lifting people up... its all about self worth.... :mad:

[plucky duck]

Yup, ya better believe it.
Things just happens out of the ordinary I guess.


Plucky

[U-96]

hmmmm while the crime itself is plausible, it carries the hallmarks of a hoax/chain email:

1) No doubt you received it from a friend, who forwarded from someone else who forwarded it from a friend, etc.

2) There is a hook - in this case TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS THEY WILL DIE IF THEY LICK ENVELOPES!!! I don't know about the USA, but all UK deposit envelopes are self-adhesive. They also have CCTV.

3) A plea to pass it on to as many people as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if this one turns up in the CERT (http://www.cert.org) archive in the near future....

For more info on cyanide, visit the CDC's toxicology department! (http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts8.html)


U-96

[This message has been edited by U-96 (edited 02-25-2000).]

[NoCtrl]

Even if it isn't true, some idiot probably just got an idea. I've licked my last envolope. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif

[Gomer]

Another Urban Legend. There is a web page somewhere that outlines these legends in their various forms. I will try to dig it up for you all later.

[OuTpaTienT]

eh, heard it before. Two words: Urban legend.

[Toadman]

Legend or not, it's all too easy to walk up to an ATM and grab a stack of envelopes and break out the chemistry set at home. If not Cyanide then LSD. With sealed bottles and safety-wrapped ingested items prolific, it's amazing that these envelopes are still being overlooked. B of A should have been pro-active on this issue when the legend was born, so they will probably be held liable if it does happen.

[scotter]

you could not put enough cyanide on the glue on a envelope to kill some one it's a hoax
you could make them a little sick but not kill them http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[Warthog]

It's definately a hoax. I did a 12 page report on unsolicited email (spam, junk email) for school. Chain letters generally have these three recognizable components - just like U-96 said.

1. Hook
2. Request
3. Threat

Don't believe any emails that follow those steps. While on the subject of spam, several friends sent me a letter (on around the same date) they got which said any liquid that's heated in the microwave to boiling point will explode in your face when you take it out. Pretty stupid, huh? Yet many people I know personally believed it.

Anyway, as for whether it could really happen or not, I'm not familiar with poisons so I haven't got a clue.

Warthog

[Brangwen]

I think Oliver Douglas on Green Acres would reply thusly:

"Oh boy!"

Brangwen http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[mgordon99]

I have two words for the banks; SELF-SEALING!

[pickel]

If you bank online , be sure to wear an insulated glove on your mouse hand. It's possible a hacker will be sending a lethal shock when you click in your logon, Beware!!
Grandslammer ... did you have a bad dream?
That mountain water again http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif Send me a copy of this ominuos E mail.. Or just change banks
LOL LOL

the pickel

[grandslammer]

Hey warthog! I for one have been burned by an "exploding" baby bottle of water coming out of a microwave! Not a pretty sight either!

Pulled bottle out of cabinet. Removed cap and nipple. Put it in microwave. Heated it, and when I pulled it out, BOOM! All over my hand and forearm. Hurt like Hell too!
Nothing to do with cyanide poisoning, but it did happen, and I "assume" (HA!) that there may be at least a couple of other people out there with the same experiences.

By the way Pickel, you are still a madman, and y'all got mail now, 'ya hear?

Y'all have a good weekend too!

little Mikey P.

[daveleau]

Speaking of other poisons, I work in a research lab where security is EXTREMEMLY lax and anyone could walk into any lab and get anything they wanted. The only thing they really look for is someone walking out with computers or other things bigger than a breadbox. We have purified Nicotine (for one) that with a single drop can kill. Others are just as incidious. I will keep this in mind. If anything, these urban legends keep you on your toes.
Dave

[ram]

Good thing ya didnt give that bottle to the baby would have burned its litte tounge right off huh...

[OuTpaTienT]

Now why would somebody waste perfectly good LSD by putting it on a bank envelope for some stranger to ingest...and they probably wouldn't even enjoy it!

And you couldn't get enough cyanide by licking an envelope to kill. Probably get ya sick enough to go to the hospital though. Plus cyanide has a pretty distinct and fairly well known taste reminiscent of peanut butter.

But much stronger poisons do exist. I know the CIA (and anyone else that has similar resources) has a poison that's been specifically designed for killing. Just a dab (many times less than a drop) on the skin of the victim will cause respiratory and heart failure in 3-5 minutes (if I'm remembering the facts correctly). Scary.

[U-96]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Rubber Nipples"

That just reminded me of the BEST EVER Ren and Stimpy cartoon. The one with the S & M walrus. I had never laughed so much - my sides hurt just thinking about it... http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

U-96

PS Marooned and Space Madness are joint second http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[johnpaul]

It looks like it's an Urban Myth (http://www.snopes.com/horrors/poison/envelope.htm).

JP

[jad1097]

SOunds like a hoax to me. I got something simaler a while ago about pay phones being laced with LSD and cyinide.

grandslammer how long did you put that bottle in there for? I use the microwave all the time to heat baby bottles and never leave them in for more than 20 or 30 seconds. My wife boils water in it all the time and have never had anything like this happen.

[grandslammer]

Well, my youngest girl is 10 now, so it's been quite some time. BUT, I remember being burned very vividly... As you can imagine! Perhaps it was a fluke, but it did happen.

Mike

[pickel]

Hey Jad: How's it going. The water over at Grandslammer's boils at a lower temperature due to the elevation factor. So anything's possible(probable).And I'm shure he's o'clocked his microwave with a Cyrix chip, too! Some people...... http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

the pickel

[U-96]

Myself and a friend came to a similar foolproof method of murder at College, around 1991. It was one of those insane "talk with people until you fall asleep" sessions in the Common Room. Usually we gave up when the kebab vans left. About 4am.

We would send the intended victim mail which would purport to be in their interest to return the free addressed envelope, perhaps stating that they had won a prize draw, to be claimed by sending said poisoned envelope.
The advantage was that the instrument of murder (the envelope) would be sent away from the scene of the crime, ironically by the action and greed of the victim. Whether it was returned to us or a fake address didn't really matter...

We concluded that a slow acting poison or toxin suited our purposes - ricin being the preferred choice. This is what the Bulgarian Secret Service used to great effect on a dissident on London Bridge in the early eighties. Took about three days to die, after all the protein in his body was broken down. It is easily obtained from a regularly available garden shrub, and requires a minute amount to be lethal...

Crazy Evil Genius U-96

[pickel]

Hey U96: This internet thing is so coool!! Here I am in the deep south and you 're over in Oxford, at place with a great rep.Your choice of words intriques me , obviously since you are British. The last time I saw the word " purport" was in an Edgar Allen Poe
story. Just thought it was very interesting and out of the ordinary since that word is as foreign here as a "Savoy Truffle" Eh ??? http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Cheers,
The pickel

[jad1097]

I just find it kind of odd thats all. I have never heard of anything like it before. I'm not sure about the elevation factor, unless he lives in the mountains.
Just asked my wife and she heard of it hapining before. I wonder how I missed that.

[thekingofpain]

Lick-lick...(QUACK) :-)

[grandslammer]

Yeah, I had heard of nicotine being extremely lethal, even in "minute" dosages.

Was always told that a drop of pure nicotine, applied to the skin would result in a very quick ddemise. Hmmmm

Remember DMSO? Thought that perhaps a mixture of DMSO and say..... rat poison. Mixed thoroughly, and applied with a paintbrush to a steering wheel of say, hmmmmmm my least favorite person's car... After a couple of miles, the DMSO, combined with the moisture of the person's palm would transport the "package" of poison through their skin to their ciculatory system and cause, I don't know, maybe a heart attack, maybe severe nausea, who knows.....

May have to do some research on this and review findings here, huh?

Oh well, this is not an anarchy BBS, so let's change the subject, 'K?

C y'all later....

little Mikey P.